The Amazon thing seems to be the only one that looks like it does
everything right, and doesn't have any subscription fees. The only things I
don't like (without having actually used it) are that you have to use a
Fire TV to connect to it, and it's a bit on the pricey side.

The AirTV does almost everything I want, but not quite... Tablo also looks
pretty good, but it's got monthly fees.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 8:33 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dang, I want to put the thing in the basement TV room where my antenna
> signal is and then be able to view it upstairs.  Roamio and mini were good
> for that.  But I don’t want to reinvest in that brand.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 19, 2019 7:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> Nope, one TV only. It appears to have HDMI and an ethernet port.
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 8:13 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Can you watch the DVR from other TVs?
>> I presume it has hdmi out for the video?
>> Ethernet lan or wifi only?
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 19, 2019 6:16 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> This page has a comparison of the Stream+, Romio, Fire TV Recast, and
>> Tablo. Romio has 4 tuners, but requires a subscription.
>>
>> https://www.channelmaster.com/OTA_DVR_s/336.htm
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is
>>> cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If
>>>>> you're watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record
>>>>> two programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several
>>>>> "streaming channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If
>>>>> we want to stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to
>>>>> pretty much anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. 
>>>>> There
>>>>> must be 30 or 40 different streaming thingies.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> bp
>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to
>>>>>> just plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the 
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> the air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming
>>>>>> channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if
>>>>>> you don't want to subscribe to Sling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind
>>>>>> live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the 
>>>>>> recorded
>>>>>> program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an
>>>>>> Android TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you
>>>>>> pause and rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to
>>>>>> have an antenna connected to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of
>>>>>>> it without using wifi, if possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one),
>>>>>>> and it does have an ethernet port.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two downsides I see:
>>>>>>>> 1)    It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I
>>>>>>>> don’t want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2)    It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk
>>>>>>>> from my basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via 
>>>>>>>> lan
>>>>>>>> then it is much more useful to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just ordered one of these:
>>>>>>>> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's
>>>>>>>> only got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it 
>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>> with a roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it
>>>>>>>> doesn't have one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free 
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> if you prepay for 3 months of service (which is only $75).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest
>>>>>>>>>> box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.
>>>>>>>>>> After the upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Arrgh.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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>>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2019 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest
>>>>>>>>> box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.
>>>>>>>>> After the upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Arrgh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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