No, I would rather them fail open than closed. At least you have a chance to
keep service rolling that way.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 4:06 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
I think it’s bad for the GDTs also if they just sit there conducting until you
roll a truck. Depending on the amount of power they are dissipating. Like 1
amp with an arc voltage of 10 volts would be 10 watts. If on the other hand
the POE shuts down and keeps cycling trying to come back up, the arc will go
out and the GDT will reset to a non conducting state.
I read somewhere there are special GDTs with a mechanical shorting clip that
kicks in if the GDT gets too hot. I don’t think Chuck uses those though.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 4:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
Well, you could short it out and see what happens...
Most PoE bricks (like the kind that come with Cambium SMs, Ubiquiti, etc.) seem
to be able to hand brief shorts just fine without damaging anything... on a lot
of them the power light will blink if they're shorted. I don't know about the
higher powered kind of stuff like would come with licensed radios, since I
generally try to be a bit more careful with that sort of thing. I'm pretty sure
anything that's 802.3at/af will be fine.
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
I assume you are referring to the fact that the Netonix POE will supply
enough voltage and/or current to keep the GDT arc alive once a lightning strike
has triggered it. While the Packetflux soft fuse will trip, interrupt the arc,
and then reset itself.
So my question is about other types of POE, like those used for licensed
radios. Either a regular brick type POE, or something like the Cambium/Ceragon
outdoor DC powered POE. Should we avoid using the Cat6/GDT surge suppressors
with those and instead use a GigE-HV model?
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
No. No surge suppressor will work with Netonix.
Once they fire they short out the line and Netonix poe circuit will croak.
That is why we created the ethernet fuse products.
Netonix really needs to take a chapter from the Packetflux book of how to
design POE.
From: Jason Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 11:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
Gas tubes work good with netonix?
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:39 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Meaning, never hurts to have one.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 11:33 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
Meaning someone is going to get wet?
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 8/14/2019 10:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Surge suppressors are like baptism.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 11:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
Damn it Mathew!
I really can't quantify the surge cards have or have not helped. I can
say, though, where we have them it's definitely not hurting. I'd really prefer
to have one card to make it simpler as well.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:21 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Cheaper.... hmmm, have to fix that...
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 10:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
I started using the CAT6 for pretty much everything, unless it's a site
where I've had problems with lightning damage in the past. It's just simpler to
not have to worry about which one to use with which radio, and they're a bit
cheaper, so that's nice too.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:06 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Cambium equipment Ethernet circuitry is very susceptible to crc and
frame check errors. Even with nothing but a cat5 cable it will have errors.
Surge suppressors that use solid state components exacerbate this problem.
Even the surge products they manufacture will cause this problem. So, I
created the CAT6 100% Gas Discharge Tube line of products to prevent these
errors on Cambium.
They fire a bit slower than a solid state surge suppressor but are
very robust. As popular as they are, I presume people are starting to use them
on everything. Personally I would use the GIGE line everywhere I could as it
does offer better protection.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 11:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
Would everything else work with gas tubes as well? I'd prefer to buy
one part that works with everything.
I've been using the GIGE-APC on ePMP just fine. When you say
Cambium, do you mean 450x hardware?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:24 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Non Cambium equipment will work with both. Cambium needs the gas
tubes.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
What place is that for both?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
No, it is a gas tube version. They both have their place.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
Is 800-CAT6-APC a replacement for 800-GIGE-APC-HV ?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:38 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Yes
From: Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 11:32 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
800-CAT6-APC will cover all my bases and provide gig, if the
AP supports it?
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 12:24 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
CAT6 products are recommended for all Cambium products.
From: Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 11:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] mccowntech SS's
I'm looking for a spreadsheet or chart to show
compatibility options for rackmount SS's. Can't seem to find anything and I'm
unclear which ones I need. I'd like to remove all my 600ss and streamline to
something modular and rack mountable.
I'm looking for SS's for...
- Cambium 450M
- Cambium 450
- Cambium ePMP 2000
- Cambium FSK 100
- Cambium PMP 320
Can someone help me mach up part numbers please?
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