Kurt, that is amazing news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

That is good news.  Hope its not that screwed together half aluminum case 
though.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:44 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>
> Can not believe nobody else has chimed in with the good news here. Talked to 
> Matt at the Cambium Booth last week as Wispalooza, he said spring 2020 they 
> will be releasing the old form factor SM again (5ghz only) with the new 450b 
> guts inside. He also said there will not be a speedcap. sounded like 
> $250/'ish price range. I can not tell you how amazing this was to hear as we 
> have literally over 500-700 reflectors out that is so convenient to be able 
> to just swap the bare SM and not have to do re-alignments.
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:24 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe they just need to go with something like TwistPort and let 3rd party 
>> manufacturers sell dishes.  Oh, right, regulatory approvals.  Nonethless, I 
>> suspect that may be where they are headed with the connectorized SM.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:13 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> If they sold me a full 2' dish at 28dbi then I could definitely find places 
>> to use that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2019 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, a one year delay is a pretty big oops, but it’s not really a solution 
>> to the problem anyway.  Except that 450b gets rid of the hated speed caps 
>> and also enables 5.1 GHz sub band.  I’m not thrilled about SMA connectors on 
>> the top, KPP included a nice mounting post for the current style 
>> connectorized SM, I’ll have to see if it still works with the new SM.
>>
>>
>>
>> What they probably need is a slightly larger and also deeper parabolic dish, 
>> get the gain back to 25 dBi, and better sidelobe performance.  Or get to the 
>> bottom of why the 450d/450b style dish seems so much more susceptible to 
>> reflection and multipath degradation.  I think Cambium expected higher xmt 
>> power would compensate for lower antenna gain, but that does nothing for 
>> downstream.
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard a rumor they were redesigning or eliminating the cable gland?  Was 
>> that mentioned at Wispapalooza?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 2:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> They are coming out with a 450b connectorized but at wispapalooza 
>> they said it was delayed until March 2020 (it was supposed to ship 
>> March of 2019)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:04 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a 
>> Telrad shop for a few years.  It looks like the old style SM was 
>> discontinued.
>>
>> The Old SM + Reflector was said to have 25dbi of gain.
>>
>> The replacement 450b "high gain" integrated dish is 22dbi.
>>
>> Are you kidding me?  Cambium, why you takin' my db's away bro?
>>
>>
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