I’m able to get 10 Cisco ASR920s for under 10k from Cisco. Just depends on who your account team is, and how much business you do. Just like Streakwave, Winncom, etc.
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Uh, yeah. > > $10k doesn’t buy me enough functionality. > Would need 10 of those. > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Josh Baird > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:54 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS > > Why? Price? > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:53 PM Sterling Jacobson <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > No thanks. > > From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > Of Gino A. Villarini > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 5:12 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS > > Time to grow up… Juniper ACX or Cisco ASR920 > > From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf > of Sterling Jacobson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 4:10 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS > > Well put. > > Capacity/speed is an issue with me, so I think I introduced some possible > bottlenecks above 4.5Gbps using MPLS/VPLS in my own network which is Mikrotik. > VPLS endpoints I don’t think were/are hardware offloaded, so required some > great CPU capacity at the edge and core for large transport. > I also think I had MTU issues with so many layers of “layer2” stuff going on > inside and outside of MPLS tunnels, native interfaces, VPLS endpoints, > bridges and VRRP interfaces along with VLAN at some endpoints. > > However, with the right equipment (not Mikrotik) MPLS is fully capable and > large networks use them to diversely traverse redundant paths back to a > central core. > > My problem also was geo-diverse BGP cores to different providers as stated > below. > I was running EVERYTHING on a Mikrotik 1072 CCR, lol! > It still drives me crazy hunting down issues where I still have > MPLS/OSPF/BGP/VRRP/VLAN on one device across multiple interfaces, lol! > > From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > Of Dennis Burgess via AF > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:56 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc: Dennis Burgess <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS > > You can, its up to you. > > Is routing faster on MikroTik by using MPLS/VPLS? No > Do you gain extra capacity by reducing the router load per packet by using > MPLS? Yes, think looking at 4-bytes of data vs 40. Is it 10 fold increase, > no but you get the point. > What is the big deal about MPLS without VPLS? Just that it does get you a > bit of extra capacity. Bout it. > Why does everyone want to run VPLS? VPLS gets you the IP and subnet savings. > You do need to design your core network correctly to handle this. If you > have a single core router and all of your tunnels go to that, then yes if it > goes down yes your tunnels are down, but may of our customers have to have > redundancy, so multiple edges, connected to multiple cores, connected to > multiple VPLS termination boxes, connected to multiple PPPoE servers. Etc. > The core is VERY robust, but the general network is not. This also does not > work very well if your have multiple geographically diverse BGP feeds, i.e. > everything goes back to the datacenter and that’s where it is, great, but > otherwise, it gets to the point that it not worth the effort. > L2VPNs? Weill there are a few customers that prefer them, but in all > honestly there is better, more secure, and faster protocols out there. Keep > in mind that L2VPNs are fine if all of the customers are on your network, but > they seldom are, so you will need a plan for those guys as well. My > questions is why do you build your network to deliver something that people > don’t want, a layer 2 network connection. If you are delivering Pipes then > sure, but you have to have the capacity and availability to do so. Most > Wisps, not all, don’t have this figured out. 99% of the time, they can make > more money by providing a managed L3 solution than L2 anyways. > > > > <image001.png> > Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP > Certified > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > <http://www.towercoverage.com/> > > From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS > > So do you tunnel everything back to the core and then do "router on a stick" ? > > On 11/20/2019 2:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Yeap VPLS is where is at… > > VPLS tunnels to the towers, CORE routing + L2VPN to customers( Enterprise, > Wholesale) > > > > Gino Villarini > Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > From: AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Josh Baird > <[email protected]> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 3:09 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > It seems like lots of people in the WISP-world are running MPLS just to use > VPLS. Reasons for doing this are typically to achieve better IPv4 > utilization (not having to route a block of IP's to each POP and maybe > wasting IPv4, etc). <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > Another common use-case is providing L2VPN services for customers (connecting > multiple locations together, etc). <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 2:03 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > I think I don't fully understand what the advantages are of MPLS. > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > I mean I've been reading the white-papers and such, and I see it brings some > features to the table, but when are we going to use them? > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > Routing speed: <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > MPLS can make forwarding decisions faster. When they made this in the 1990's > I'm sure that was a big deal, but I'm doubting whether there is really > measurably better latency on modern hardware. Is there? > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > Traffic Engineering: <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > It can do redundancy, but it seems to rely on the routing protocol (eg OSPF) > to know which paths are up. I don't understand what that buys us. > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > It can do load sharing on unequal paths. Admittedly that's very hard to do > with L3 routing protocols, and that would have been extremely useful at one > point in time. But how often does that happen now that we're in a world of > gigabit and 10gigabit connections? <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > L2 tunneling <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > It can transport L2 traffic over an L3 network. It does it with less > overhead (8 bytes) than any other method I can think of. I don't really see > a downside to this. <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > So are people running MPLS just to get VPLS tunnels, or do you find that the > other tools in the MPLS toolbox matter in today's world? > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>-- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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