This country is based upon making the most profit with the least investment. Stockpiling is reserved for subsidies for farmers and other voting blocs

On 03/02/2020 09:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello? The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event? What the heck?

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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.

*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
    COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
    end.

    bp

    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

        Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
        tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
        baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
        cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
        they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
        cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

        *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
        *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
        *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it.

        Just a hypothesis.

        On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

            i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most
            prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we
            tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal tools and
            food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the best
            firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
            why people on the right get very nervous about these things.
            a lot like devout christians worying about end times and
            rapture.

            On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
            <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. He is very alt right too. He might be Alex Jones... I
                have never seen them both at the same place at the same
                time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.

                Sent from my iPhone

                    On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
                    Technologies <m...@mailmt.com
                    <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

                    On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave
                    here.  Can't do it at home, wife just rolls eyes and
                    tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know you
                    are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.


                    --
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                    Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

                    Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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                    Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:

                        

                    OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from
                    Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of
                    science-y.

                    The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading
                    undetected for about six weeks in Washington state,
                    where the first U.S. death was reported this
                    weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases
                    are linked through community transmission and that
                    this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds of
                    infections likely in the state.


                    *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ken
                    Hohhof
                    *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
                    *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
                    <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

                    Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I have
                    not seen news reports anything close to “we are all
                    going to die”.

                    And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at
                    all of people buying up all the Lysol and Purell.  I
                    did buy a couple of the pump bottles of foaming hand
                    soap we like, but the shelf was full.  News reports
                    have said wash your hands and that it’s good advice
                    for seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s
                    doomsday advice.

                    I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all
                    crazy there (as usual).  Actually I have to admit
                    that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart
                    are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson
                    Fresh Meats.

                    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
                    *Mark - Myakka Technologies
                    *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                    <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

                    There are only a few things we know for sure.

                    1. It is already in the US
                    2. More people in the US will get it
                    3. More people in the US will die.

                    Anything other than this is pure speculation at this
point. We don't know anything about this virus. Most everything I hear or read about this virus
                    starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING
                    TO DIE".  But if you bother to listen or read the
                    article, it always has "may" or "some experts".  The
                    current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but
                    hey lets just report 14 days and base all our models
on this and report it as the most likely scenario. We don't know how long it lives on surfaces. We
                    don't know how it reacts to UV light.  We don't know
                    how it will do in warm/humid conditions.

                    My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This
                    virus has been in the states before the first
                    reported case.  People have had it and recovered
                    thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed
                    is going to get it.  Not everyone who gets it is
                    going to need to be hospitalized.  Not everyone who
                    gets hospitalized will die.

                    The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service.
They are hyping this thing way out of proportion. Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every can of Lysol or
                    Lysol type of product was gone.  Every package of
                    disinfectant wipes were gone.  Every bottle of any
                    sized hand sanitizer, gone.  Crazy.  The closest
                    reported "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away.  God
                    forbid we get a reported case in Florida, what will
                    happen then?  Going to start burning and looting?


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                    Best regards,
                    Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

                    Myakka Technologies, Inc.
                    www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>

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                    Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:

                        

                    I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or
                    any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention to as much
                    scientifically-based information I can find though.
                    This is a pretty good synopsis on our current
                    knowledge without any spin:
                    
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you

                    bp
                    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                    On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

                        

Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist. Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet says.

                    *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
                    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
                    *Steve Jones
                    *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                    <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

                    thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis
                    last time... russia is in asia, so russians are
                    asians. Taking them out of the running too.... Weve
                    said too much

                    On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett
                    <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
                    wrote:

                        

                    Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.

                    On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

                        

                    Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is
                    obviously genetically designed to target Asians. The
                    proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
                    Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party
                    trying to eliminate a majority of the population so
                    they can initiate another run at global domination.
                    My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend,
                    carols husband Brad told her that he heard that this
                    is what brexit was all about. Germany and Great
                    Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush
                    hush, but there is a shadow government of guess
                    what... Nazis.

                    On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett
                    <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
                    wrote:

                        

                    You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus?

                    On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
                     > I'm waiting for Godwin...
                     >
                     >
                     > bp
                     > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
                     >
                     > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
                     >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that
                    literally everything is a
                     >> "conspiracy".
                     >>
                     >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on
                    purpose, and nobody has the
                     >> whole picture of what happened until more time
                    passes. In the interim
                     >> there's a lot of conflicting information going
                    around. People latch
                     >> onto early bits of information that turn out to
                    be wrong and they
                     >> won't let go of them.
                     >>
                     >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to
                    distract press from Hong Kong
                     >>
                     >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat
                    China in a trade war
                     >>
                     >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to
                    discredit Mexican Lager (I
                     >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?)
                     >>
                     >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all
                    stock our survival bunkers.
                     >>
                     >> China is hiding all the information about
                    Coronavirus.  Really? Or
                     >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time
                    omniscient feed of all
                     >> information so they're reporting what they think
                    is true at the time
                     >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't
                    all true.
                     >>
                     >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
                     >>
                     >>
                     >>
                     >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
                     >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion
                    off topic.
                     >>>
                     >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
                     >>>
                     >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only
                    about a dozen actual
                     >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a
                    big deal. Novel
                     >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than
                    SARS, but not
                     >>> particularly deadly.
                     >>>
                     >>
                     >

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