Condolences.  Any idea where he got it?

-----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have
what they called "multiple competing mortalities".

bp
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On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.

-----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.


bp
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On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you _must_ stop people from passing. Part of the reason not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything else. YES UV helps but this is a much tougher little bugger than the common flu..

On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.


bp
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On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello? The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event? What the heck?

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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.

*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
    COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
    the end.

    bp

    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

        Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
        tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
        baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
        cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
        they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
        cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

        *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
        *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
        *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

        You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
        preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

        Just a hypothesis.

        On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

            i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
            most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
            minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
            tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
            the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
            understood why people on the right get very nervous about
            these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
            end times and rapture.

            On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
            <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

                My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
                guys.  He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex
                Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place
                at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get
                us all.

                Sent from my iPhone

                    On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
                    Technologies <m...@mailmt.com
                    <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

                    On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and
                    rave here.  Can't do it at home, wife just rolls
                    eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. Chuck, I
                    know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So,
                    Thank You.


                    --
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                    Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

                    Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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                    Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:




                    OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from
                    Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of
                    science-y.

                    The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading
                    undetected for about six weeks in Washington
                    state, where the first U.S. death was reported
                    this weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the
                    cases are linked through community transmission
                    and that this has been going on for weeks, with
                    hundreds of infections likely in the state.


                    *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
                    *Ken Hohhof
                    *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
                    *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
                    <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

                    Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I
                    have not seen news reports anything close to “we
                    are all going to die”.

                    And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs
                    at all of people buying up all the Lysol and
                    Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of
                    foaming hand soap we like, but the shelf was
                    full.  News reports have said wash your hands and
                    that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I
                    don’t think that’s doomsday advice.

                    I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all
                    crazy there (as usual).  Actually I have to admit
                    that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart
                    are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson
                    Fresh Meats.

                    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
                    *Mark - Myakka Technologies
                    *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                    <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

                    There are only a few things we know for sure.

                    1. It is already in the US
                    2. More people in the US will get it
                    3. More people in the US will die.

                    Anything other than this is pure speculation at
                    this point.  We don't know anything about this
                    virus. Most everything I hear or read about this
                    virus starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE
                    ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you bother to listen or
                    read the article, it always has "may" or "some
                    experts".  The current official incubation period
                    is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 14 days and
                    base all our models on this and report it as the
                    most likely scenario.  We don't know how long it
                    lives on surfaces. We don't know how it reacts to
                    UV light.  We don't know how it will do in
                    warm/humid conditions.

                    My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This
                    virus has been in the states before the first
                    reported case.  People have had it and recovered
                    thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed
                    is going to get it.  Not everyone who gets it is
                    going to need to be hospitalized.  Not everyone
                    who gets hospitalized will die.

                    The media once again is doing us a huge
                    dis-service. They are hyping this thing way out
                    of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every
can of Lysol or Lysol type of product was gone. Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone. Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest reported "maybe" case is over
                    1300 miles away.  God forbid we get a reported
                    case in Florida, what will happen then? Going to
                    start burning and looting?


                    --
                    Best regards,
                    Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

                    Myakka Technologies, Inc.
                    www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>

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                    Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:




                    I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or
                    any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention to as
                    much scientifically-based information I can find
                    though.
                    This is a pretty good synopsis on our current
                    knowledge without any spin:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you

                    bp
                    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                    On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:




Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist. Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet says.

                    *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
                    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
                    *Steve Jones
                    *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                    <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

                    thats the secret, remember russia shafted the
                    nazis last time... russia is in asia, so russians
                    are asians. Taking them out of the running too....
                    Weve said too much

                    On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett
                    <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
                    wrote:




                    Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.

                    On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:




                    Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is
                    obviously genetically designed to target Asians.
                    The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
                    Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party
                    trying to eliminate a majority of the population
                    so they can initiate another run at global
                    domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that
                    her friend, carols husband Brad told her that he
                    heard that this is what brexit was all about.
                    Germany and Great Britian are forming an alliance
                    now. Its all hush hush, but there is a shadow
                    government of guess what... Nazis.

                    On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett
                    <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
                    wrote:




                    You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus?

                    On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
                    > I'm waiting for Godwin...
                    >
                    >
                    > bp
                    > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
                    >
                    > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
                    >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that
                    literally everything is a
                    >> "conspiracy".
                    >>
                    >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on
                    purpose, and nobody has the
                    >> whole picture of what happened until more time
                    passes. In the interim
                    >> there's a lot of conflicting information going
                    around. People latch
                    >> onto early bits of information that turn out to
                    be wrong and they
                    >> won't let go of them.
                    >>
                    >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to
                    distract press from Hong Kong
                    >>
                    >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat
                    China in a trade war
                    >>
                    >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to
                    discredit Mexican Lager (I
                    >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?)
                    >>
                    >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all
                    stock our survival bunkers.
                    >>
                    >> China is hiding all the information about
                    Coronavirus. Really? Or
                    >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time
                    omniscient feed of all
                    >> information so they're reporting what they
                    think is true at the time
                    >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't
                    all true.
                    >>
                    >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
                    >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion
                    off topic.
                    >>>
                    >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
                    >>>
                    >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only
                    about a dozen actual
                    >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a
                    big deal. Novel
                    >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than
                    SARS, but not
                    >>> particularly deadly.
                    >>>
                    >>
                    >

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