Actually, they are eligible but only in the same areas that other Part 101 licensees would be eligible. They are not eligible under Part 74.
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Radio is not eligible for 7 GHz > >> On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >> >> Shouldn't they be in 7 GHz? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> From: "Caleb Knauer" <cknauer.li...@gmail.com >> <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:46:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >> >> The majority of broadcast TV and radio STL replacements I've been >> involved with have been 6Ghz due to distances to transmitter towers >> and fade margins. Those aren't going away, and they have a pretty big >> voice with the feds. AFC feels like it could be quite the boondoggle. >> But we shall see. >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:39 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >> > >> > But unlike 11/18/23 GHz it can be used for PTP links >10 miles based on >> > rain fade characteristics. And there are many existing links. Just >> > saying your spectrum would be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go >> > away, and the service carried on those existing links is often critical >> > traffic. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On >> > Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM >> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >> > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >> > >> > >> > >> > Honestly I think that 6ghz licensed is becoming less practical. As more >> > and more fiber is run to the tower the 6ghz band would be much more better >> > utilized for last mile PTMP and indoor wifi. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:30 PM Tim Reichhart >> > <timreichh...@hometowncable.net <mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net>> >> > wrote: >> > >> > I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it >> > WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com >> > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >> > >> > So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies >> > dropped that made it happen? >> > >> > >> > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name >> > companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of >> > them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power >> > (WiFi6) usage. >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com >> > <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: >> > >> > There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out >> > of the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the >> > common man/small business. >> > >> > >> > >> > So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > FCC has total authority over these bands. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of >> > Congress? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com >> > <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote: >> > >> > yes you are right. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Erich Kaiser >> > >> > North Central Tower >> > >> > er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >> > >> > Office: 815-570-3101 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >> > >> > More like 4.9 to 7. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On >> > Behalf Of Erich Kaiser >> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >> > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >> > >> > >> > >> > Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean >> > heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum >> > proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability >> > standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. >> > What about the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able >> > to cover the entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Erich Kaiser >> > >> > North Central Tower >> > >> > er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >> > >> > Office: 815-570-3101 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us >> > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: >> > >> > from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: >> > >> > >> > >> > "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A >> > Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with >> > an AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its location. It >> > must have geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how >> > the "client AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably >> > conservative, so the licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with >> > it. And a whole bunch of companies have already been working on AFCs. >> > >> > >> > The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It >> > is limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be >> > weatherproof, must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 >> > dBm). Since those can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit >> > concerned. But between building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and >> > the directionality of the FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. >> > That is likely to be a volume market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business >> > stuff, and ours, will be standard power. >> > >> > The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like >> > cell phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for >> > AFC-controlled devices." >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Yep...lots of buzz from this >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us >> > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: >> > >> > WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are >> > hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com >> > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: >> > >> > I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 >> > Gigahertz today. >> > >> > any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Eric Nielsen >> > 571-508-7409 >> > ericlniel...@gmail.com <mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>
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