Shouldn't they be in 7 GHz?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caleb Knauer" <[email protected]> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:46:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum The majority of broadcast TV and radio STL replacements I've been involved with have been 6Ghz due to distances to transmitter towers and fade margins. Those aren't going away, and they have a pretty big voice with the feds. AFC feels like it could be quite the boondoggle. But we shall see. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:39 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > But unlike 11/18/23 GHz it can be used for PTP links >10 miles based on rain > fade characteristics. And there are many existing links. Just saying your > spectrum would be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go away, and the > service carried on those existing links is often critical traffic. > > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > Honestly I think that 6ghz licensed is becoming less practical. As more and > more fiber is run to the tower the 6ghz band would be much more better > utilized for last mile PTMP and indoor wifi. > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:30 PM Tim Reichhart > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it > WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies dropped > that made it happen? > > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <[email protected]> wrote: > > The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name > companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of > them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power (WiFi6) > usage. > > > > I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this. > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <[email protected]> wrote: > > There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of > the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common > man/small business. > > > > So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: > > FCC has total authority over these bands. > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> > wrote: > > How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of > Congress? > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser <[email protected]> > wrote: > > yes you are right. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > [email protected] > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > More like 4.9 to 7. > > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, > so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed > will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability standpoint > it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. What about > the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able to cover the > entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > [email protected] > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: > > from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: > > > > "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard > Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that > determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have > geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client > AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the > licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of > companies have already been working on AFCs. > > > The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is > limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof, > must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those > can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between > building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the FS > dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume > market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be > standard power. > > The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like cell > phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for AFC-controlled > devices." > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yep...lots of buzz from this > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: > > WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are hoping > it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <[email protected]> wrote: > > I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 Gigahertz > today. > > any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > Eric Nielsen > 571-508-7409 > [email protected] > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ________________________________ > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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