out of curiosity, when it pops off next month, are "war crimes" defined somewhere ahead of time specifically, or is that a "written by the victor" sort of thing... asking for a friend
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:17 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < [email protected]> wrote: > I would argue that sometimes the correct compromise is actually for one > side to realize they were wrong and to abandon the practice. Murder, > Slavery, etc. > > I also realize that often these are the types of compromises which don't > happen without forceful action. > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 7:18 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What would be the reasonable compromise between one caveman's right to >> kill and other's not to be killed? >> >> Perhaps "kill whoever you want on Sunday, otherwise no killing" >> >> >> On 7/20/2020 7:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: >> >> Since this doesn't really reply to anyone's specific points, I figured >> I'd just post this separately in the thread. >> >> I've recently realized that pretty much all of the conflicts we see are >> where two sides 'rights' come in conflict with each other. >> >> Back before there were rules, I'm sure there was one group that thought >> killing other humans was just fine and it was their right. Another group >> just wanted to live their lives without being worried about being killed by >> other humans, and it was their right to do so. When those groups came in >> conflict their 'rights' didn't match so a rule had to be made - in this >> case, 'the right to live is more important than the right to kill others'. >> So we now have laws against murdering others. >> >> What I think people miss is that 'rights' are really nothing but a >> construction of societal norms and laws built up over years. You have the >> right to not be killed (life). But it could have just as easily been "you >> have a right to kill anything you want, including other humans". Of >> course, I have a feeling that a society with that as a right might not have >> a long lifecycle... >> >> As time has progressed, more and more things have moved into the realm of >> 'rights'. Right to free speech, right to peacefully assemble, and so on. >> >> >> In our current situation, there seem to be several 'rights' being fought >> over right now. Whether my desire to not wear a mask is more important >> than the desire of society to reduce the transmission of a virus. Whether >> the color of your skin should determine if you are more or less likely to >> be shot or abused by a police officer in some areas. And on and on and >> on. >> >> If you look at the civil rights movement, a lot of the protests (peaceful >> or violent) came about where 'rights' were in conflict. For example, >> the rights of black people to be non-segregated vs the rights of the white >> people to not want black people to share their facilities/businesses. At >> some point, there is going to be conflict and disagreement. In an ideal >> society, one would hope that you could come to an agreement that both sides >> would at least be equally unhappy about without resorting to protests and >> civil disobedience. But when you're the party who's perceived rights are >> being trampled on, it's kinda hard to get the people who are doing the >> trampling to listen, since you'd end up trampling on their rights if things >> changed. In this circumstance, often some sort of protest or refusal to >> go along with the societal norms is unfortunately needed to bring the topic >> up to the light. Thus you saw the lunch counter sit-ins and the freedom >> riders and similar. >> >> The ignition for a lot of the current events seems to be the George Floyd >> death. This is obviously a conflict between the perceived rights the >> police officers believed they had, and the right of a black man to not be >> killed at the hands of those officers. And obviously, this has been >> bubbling under the surface for some time. There are a lot of these types >> of conflicts going on right now... one doesn't have to look very far to >> find some. >> >> I think to bring this back to another point of this discussion made by >> others, it seems like a lot of this country has lost the ability to stop >> and listen to both sides to understand what 'right' it is that the other >> side thinks is more important than your right you're not happy with being >> curtailed. And to come to some sort of reasonable agreement. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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