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On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > out of curiosity, when it pops off next month, are "war crimes" defined > somewhere ahead of time specifically, or is that a "written by the victor" > sort of thing... asking for a friend > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:17 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I would argue that sometimes the correct compromise is actually for one >> side to realize they were wrong and to abandon the practice. Murder, >> Slavery, etc. >> >> I also realize that often these are the types of compromises which don't >> happen without forceful action. >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 7:18 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> What would be the reasonable compromise between one caveman's right to >>> kill and other's not to be killed? >>> >>> Perhaps "kill whoever you want on Sunday, otherwise no killing" >>> >>> >>> On 7/20/2020 7:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: >>> >>> Since this doesn't really reply to anyone's specific points, I figured >>> I'd just post this separately in the thread. >>> >>> I've recently realized that pretty much all of the conflicts we see are >>> where two sides 'rights' come in conflict with each other. >>> >>> Back before there were rules, I'm sure there was one group that thought >>> killing other humans was just fine and it was their right. Another group >>> just wanted to live their lives without being worried about being killed by >>> other humans, and it was their right to do so. When those groups came in >>> conflict their 'rights' didn't match so a rule had to be made - in this >>> case, 'the right to live is more important than the right to kill others'. >>> So we now have laws against murdering others. >>> >>> What I think people miss is that 'rights' are really nothing but a >>> construction of societal norms and laws built up over years. You have the >>> right to not be killed (life). But it could have just as easily been "you >>> have a right to kill anything you want, including other humans". Of >>> course, I have a feeling that a society with that as a right might not have >>> a long lifecycle... >>> >>> As time has progressed, more and more things have moved into the realm >>> of 'rights'. Right to free speech, right to peacefully assemble, and so >>> on. >>> >>> In our current situation, there seem to be several 'rights' being fought >>> over right now. Whether my desire to not wear a mask is more important >>> than the desire of society to reduce the transmission of a virus. Whether >>> the color of your skin should determine if you are more or less likely to >>> be shot or abused by a police officer in some areas. And on and on and >>> on. >>> >>> If you look at the civil rights movement, a lot of the protests >>> (peaceful or violent) came about where 'rights' were in conflict. For >>> example, the rights of black people to be non-segregated vs the rights of >>> the white people to not want black people to share their >>> facilities/businesses. At some point, there is going to be conflict and >>> disagreement. In an ideal society, one would hope that you could come to >>> an agreement that both sides would at least be equally unhappy about >>> without resorting to protests and civil disobedience. But when you're the >>> party who's perceived rights are being trampled on, it's kinda hard to get >>> the people who are doing the trampling to listen, since you'd end up >>> trampling on their rights if things changed. In this circumstance, often >>> some sort of protest or refusal to go along with the societal norms is >>> unfortunately needed to bring the topic up to the light. Thus you saw the >>> lunch counter sit-ins and the freedom riders and similar. >>> >>> The ignition for a lot of the current events seems to be the George >>> Floyd death. This is obviously a conflict between the perceived rights the >>> police officers believed they had, and the right of a black man to not be >>> killed at the hands of those officers. And obviously, this has been >>> bubbling under the surface for some time. There are a lot of these types >>> of conflicts going on right now... one doesn't have to look very far to >>> find some. >>> >>> I think to bring this back to another point of this discussion made by >>> others, it seems like a lot of this country has lost the ability to stop >>> and listen to both sides to understand what 'right' it is that the other >>> side thinks is more important than your right you're not happy with being >>> curtailed. And to come to some sort of reasonable agreement. >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- - Forrest
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