Spray foam.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

What do you use for foam in the ducts?

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 8:42 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

  Hand holes fill with muddy water.  You should foam them when you are done to 
prevent this.


  Sent from my iPhone


    On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:


     
    Is it normal for the duct to be full of mud?  That seems ungood.  I’m also 
assuming the fiber in that duct is carrying traffic and it would be very bad to 
break it and then not be able to replace it.



    From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
    Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:56 PM
    To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit



    You still need a way to get air in the duct.   Either this: 
https://www.gmptools.com/innerduct-pressurization-test-kit/  or this 
https://www.gmptools.com/line-blowing/ to attach to the compressor.   Neither 
tool is very expensive (relative to the stupid price of most things fiber)



    Mark





      On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]> wrote:



      Something like this:  
https://www.gmptools.com/cable-overblowing-junction-box/



      Put the real cable in the one side and block the other port or use it for 
water.  Hum…  water going backwards through the compressor isn’t a great idea.  
And pushing air back the water supply isn’t great.   OK, fill it with water and 
block the other port.   Add air and wait.  Once you have half decent airflow 
change to water.



      Mark





        On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:



        You might get away with sealing it up really good where the fiber exits 
and then making a hole in the side of the duct small enough for the tip of an 
air blower.  Not sure how much air you will get this way but easy to try. Use 
mastic and then tape to seal it.  You might be able to couple a pressure washer 
to it too.

        -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:00 PM
        To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

        I have a clamp thing that clamps over the duct and cable and seals it 
all
        up.  It has an air port coming in from the side.  And I use a 375 CFM 
150
        psi compressor.

        I am guessing you could slip a copper tube down the duct and tape the 
crap
        out of everything with black vinyl tape.  Just use as much air as you 
can
        get.  Be sure to inject as much water as you can inject first.

        -----Original Message----- From: Nate Burke
        Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:32 PM
        To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

        How do you seal it up with the existing fiber in there to be able to
        blow it?  How much PSI do you use?  Will a portable air compressor be
        enough?  Other end of the conduit is in a building, so I can only blow
        the mud 1 way :)

        On 8/19/2020 4:30 PM, [email protected] wrote:



          Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed 
your fish tape might go.

          -----Original Message----- From: Nate Burke
          Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
          To: Animal Farm
          Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

          Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to 
locate
          a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
          installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole 
that
          is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
          lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not 
involved
          in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.

          We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
          current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
          in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
          the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
          breath underground work have for dealing with this?



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