OK, I guess I can answer my own question about how to turn Circle off by consulting their website:
To turn the Circle device OFF The Circle device was designed with enterprising kids in mind and has an internal battery that will keep it working, even if it's unplugged. There may be times, however, when you may need to turn your Circle device off, and this is how: 1. Locate the power button on the back of your Circle device. 2. Hold the power button for 10-15 seconds until the LED power indicator turns off. 3. Release the power button. I’d still be interested in your view of whether it’s reasonable to require the customer to connect the Circle to the router via an Ethernet cable if they’re going to complain about WiFi performance. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a satisfactory compromise. Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so kids couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off? Battery pull? Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi? That would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle. From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like someone troubleshooting over wireless. We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp spoofing on the router to use a circle. https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network? I’m trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage the router if the customer wants to do that. And that if they really like the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers that has Circle built in to the router. No hacker tricks needed. If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network. Hey Mr. Customer, if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the other – ISP managed or customer managed. Make up your mind. Or call Geek Squad. https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/ From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works fine. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. From: AF [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device Hmmmm, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system? From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark bought them i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a parental control device. How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow take over DNS. 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