I know what you mean Robert. I got my first job out of college with Sprint Cellular during a poker game on a ski trip. A group of my friends and I went to Crested Butte over Thanksgiving because they used to do free skiing for the week of Thanksgiving. One of my buddies was from Chicago and ran into a couple girls from his former HS on the slopes. We invited them and their mom and her BF (who both worked at Sprint as Engineers) to come hang out at our condo as we were getting a keg of beer and playing poker. It was my senior year and discussions with the "adults" led me to tell them I really wanted to get into cellular as I thought it was about to explode as an industry. They told me to call them when I was about to graduate. I did and was basically hired on the spot. I highly doubt I would have met my Chicago buddy and hence the resultant chance meeting to get that job in a virtual school.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 12:54 PM Robert Andrews <[email protected]> wrote: > The fundamentals of Silicon Valley have been driven out of Stanford and > Cal since they were founded. The connections for grad students are > what drive the funding from the VC. Yang and Filo met as undergrads at > Stanford and their funding came from a meeting at a party they went to. > I would say for engineers making those connections are even more > important. Engineers can have even more problems making connections > without person to person contact. > > On 10/12/2020 10:41 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > I agree, but more of a problem for the humanities than engineering I > > would think. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews > > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 11:40 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT good to be a boomer > > > > I think Universities without student to student connections are going to > > be a big problem. I still think they are about building personal bonds. > > It's pretty tough to do that on video chat at the same level as a > > kegger. ( not that I did keggers ). But knowing someone out of the > > classroom is important to know and develop bonds with. It will be a > > different society without those bonds. > > > > On 10/12/2020 10:24 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> It will be interesting to see how education changes post covid. I > >> would think that we have proven brick and mortar universities are not > >> needed. Perhaps for some labs and other special things. But online > >> works. Should drive the cost down I would hope. > >> *From:* Cameron Crum > >> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2020 10:52 AM > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT good to be a boomer > >> Universities know the government will give big loans to kids and they > >> all want to be on that gravy train. They raise tuition and just put it > >> on the kids to go get more money in the form of debt. Kids would be > >> hard pressed to pay tuition working their way through right now. > >> Tuition costs have doubled inflation and outpaced wages by 8x. My > >> daughter just entered college and through sheer luck, she ended up in > >> Community College. She got into every big school she applied to but > >> after visiting them all, decided none of them were for her. She really > >> wanted to go to UT( Texas), but did not apply because her teachers all > >> told her she had to be top 7% to get accepted and she was only top > >> 10%. I told her to apply, but she did not. So, as a result she decided > >> in March she would just move to Austin and go to ACC who has a > >> transfer track program into UT if you can keep a 3.7 GPA. She is > >> taking the same classes as her friends at UT (all online) but paying > >> 1/5 the tuition. She is living in a private dormitory across the > >> street from UT campus with mostly UT kids, so basically has the same > >> "college" experience without the huge tuition bill, for now. I > >> couldn't be happier. She had a decent 529 for college but not enough > >> for all 4 years even at a state school. Now it might just last, > >> especially if she decides to stay at ACC for another year before > >> transferring to UT. I'm hoping she can get out without debt, but I'm > >> guessing she'll have a little. I'm with Mike Rowe on a lot of this. I > >> never thought college was for everyone, and trade schools are cheap in > >> comparison, and you can be earning a good paycheck in a lot less time. > >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:00 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I started at $1.80 at the pizza joint. After a month or two I got a > >> raise to $2. I think all new employees got a quick performance > >> review at which they either got a 10% raise or got fired.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> I had a summer job as a shipping clerk, I don’t remember what it > >> paid.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> First job after graduation in 1972 paid $10,920/year.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:53 PM > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT good to be a boomer____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> Still , a fortune. I was making $2.50/hr in those years.____ > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone____ > >> > >> > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> On Oct 11, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Robert <[email protected]> > >> wrote:____ > >> > >> I forgot to take all the taxes out of that for each summer. I > >> netted more like 4K for the summer..____ > >> > >> On 10/11/20 3:49 PM, Robert wrote:____ > >> > >> When I went to UCSC one quarter all up cost about $1.7K in > >> 1975 This year, just the tuition, room and board and > >> mandatory health insurance is going to cost you $36K > >> _california resident_ I was able to work for $9.40/hour at > >> a gas station as a jr manager, opening and closing during > >> the summer. 60 hours weeks for 12 weeks. That was almost > >> $7K for the summer, minus gas and some small expenses while > >> staying at my parents. Yes I was overpaid, pays to know > >> someone, I also opened, closed and did the books. But I > >> don't care who you know but joe blow isn't going to get a > >> summer job that is going to come anywhere close to $100K for > >> summer or even year round work when you are in college now. > >> What's the difference? UC California turns students away > >> by the bushel. Instead of a system that focused on > >> California High School graduates, it's a system that focuses > >> on attracting donors that can put names on buildings. Slots > >> are full from outside the state at huge financial cash > >> flow. Everyone else can go to a Jr College.____ > >> > >> On 10/11/20 2:27 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:____ > >> > >> Here’s one I don’t understand. Not pointing a finger, I > >> genuinely don’t understand. Student loan debt. Is that > >> the huge issue that people say? And if so, is that a > >> new phenomenon? Why?____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> I assume my dad went to college on the GI Bill after > >> WWII. I worked 20 hours a week all through college > >> making pizzas and burgers, and had a coop job every > >> third quarter or so until the coop jobs disappeared due > >> to a recession.____ > >> > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1969%E2%80%931970____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> Plus my parents helped out. I don’t remember my friends > >> in college talking about student debt, but maybe they > >> had it and it just wasn’t talked about.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> I can speculate some possible reasons for a student debt > >> crisis now:____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> - Tuition has gone up____ > >> > >> - Part time jobs and coop jobs unavailable or don’t pay > >> enough____ > >> > >> - Less financial assistance available____ > >> > >> - Predatory for-profit schools____ > >> > >> - Lots of kids who couldn’t find jobs in the Great > >> Recession went to school or pursued advanced degrees > >> instead____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> None of these seem like adequate explanations. College > >> is too expensive, not sure how much it has gone up > >> adjusted for inflation. You’d think with online > >> instruction and extensive use of low paid adjunct > >> professors they could keep costs down. Certainly dorms, > >> food and other amenities are a lot fancier than when I > >> was in college, maybe those costs have gotten out of > >> hand. You’d also think state schools and especially > >> community colleges would be affordable options, Harvard > >> and Yale aren’t the only places to get a good > >> education.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> But if there’s genuinely a huge student debt crisis, > >> what is causing it, and how do we fix it? Is “free > >> college for all” really the only solution?____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> I understand with the pandemic, people out of work can’t > >> pay their student debts, but supposedly this problem > >> predates the pandemic.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> *From:* AF mailto:[email protected] *On Behalf Of > >> *Bill Prince > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:54 PM > >> *To:* [email protected] > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT good to be a boomer____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> Yah. Even though I'm a boomer, I think attributing the > >> current state of the economy entirely on boomers is > >> missing the mark somewhat. There are a whole raft of > >> issues that are squeezing millenials like globalization > >> and extreme automation. You keep adding barriers, and > >> getting or creating a good paying job just gets more > >> difficult. If all you can do is flip burgers at Micky > >> D's or pour coffee at Starbucks, maybe you need to think > >> a bit more creatively.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> bp____ > >> > >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ > >> > >> On 10/11/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:____ > >> > >> Obviously I’m prejudiced, but I don’t think this whole > >> trope about all the problems young people today face > >> being the fault of the baby boomers (and wishing they > >> would die and stop hogging all the good jobs) is quite > >> accurate.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> Yes we had a long recession starting in 2008 (but of > >> course there were recessions back in the 1970’s as > >> well), but I saw a lot of parents dipping into their > >> 401K savings and taking out loans on their paid-off > >> houses so their adult children could live with them, or > >> to pay for their kids to go to college instead of being > >> unemployed.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> Baby boomer 401K plans were a big cushion for > >> millennials and the economy in general during the “Great > >> Recession”. I think what will actually hit the > >> millennials is when the boomers do die, they won’t be > >> inheriting as much money because those retirement funds > >> got drained. Also, don’t kid yourself that 70 year old > >> boomer greeting people at Walmart or bagging groceries > >> at Kroger is just continuing to work for the fun of it, > >> or that a millennial wanted that job anyway. As far as > >> the “good” jobs, age discrimination kicks in around age > >> 50. I don’t think Google and Facebook have a lot of > >> boomers writing code. How many boomers does Elon Musk > >> have designing Teslas and SpaceX rockets?____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> Still a funny skit, but I run into millennials who > >> totally blame all their woes on boomers screwing their > >> generation over. And the “why don’t they die already” > >> viewpoint spills over into Covid discussions. Lots of > >> anti-maskers say things like “if they don’t feel safe > >> going out, they are free to not go out”. Or there > >> aren’t that many deaths if you ignore the old people who > >> were going to die anyway. People at least didn’t used > >> to say stuff like that out loud.____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> *From:* AF mailto:[email protected] *On Behalf Of > >> *Robert > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2020 12:25 PM > >> *To:* [email protected] > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT good to be a boomer____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> very apropos...____ > >> > >> On 10/11/20 10:04 AM, [email protected] wrote:____ > >> > >> > >> > https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/millennial-millions/3867395____ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> > >> -- AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com____ > >> > >> -- AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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