its a slogan as applied in 2020 regarding covid a whole lot of predefined outcomes with no tested theories of actionable data behind the claims dont conflate definitions and actual application examples: antifascist follow the science peaceful protest equality stacking the court genocide
just because a word or phase has a definition doesnt mean the application matches it in any way shape or form On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 1:24 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > "Follow the science" is not a slogan, but a process. You make a theory, > then test it. If the tests are successful, then you go with it. If the test > fails, it's time to figure out what's really happening. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 11/25/2020 11:04 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > That's what sucks about this whole thing. "Follow the science" is a > slogan, not an actual thing. Like "peaceful protest". Science dictates that > without a test and its results of a theory, then the current malleable fact > is based on existing similar data. There is no existing similar data that > indicates this virus would act differently than the vast majority of other > viruses. The existing similar data is the exact opposite. All the > probabilities are that it will behave in a similar fashion to the > majority. > > The "new normal" is absolutely not based on any real science or scientific > method. Its contrary in whole to the scientific method since the outcome > was predefined. Yet fools continue to parrot the mantra "follow the > science". > > It's sad really, because science used to be cool. Discoveries were made on > accident or as a byproduct of a failed theory, and that was considered a > good thing. A melted chocolate bar in a pocket got us instant ramen > noodles. > Now if the science doesnt prove the theory, the outcomes are manipulated > until it does. I'd like to think the geeks in the lab coats dont give a > shit about an election or getting on a CNN chyron, but current trends show > otherwise. Fauci being a prime example of what happens when you start to > manipulate science for fame. > Look at the consequense of manipulating outcomes to suite a theory. > Shielas and Karen's across the globe still believe vaccines are linked to > autism, all because a fauciesque "scientist" decided to manipulate outcomes > for fame. > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 11:18 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The 1918 flu was an H1N1 flu that comes around every few years. 2009 was >> one of those times. It's become somewhat endemic. It will reappear again, >> but because a large proportion of the population carries some level of >> immunity, it will take special circumstances to make it become another >> pandemic. >> >> I suspect the SARS COV2 will evolve in a similar manner, but who knows? >> No one right now. >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 11/25/2020 8:26 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> lol. wheres the sars 1 annual vaccine? the h1n1 annual vaccine? annual >> spanish flu vaccine? annual Justinian Plague vaccine? >> >> Im not sure why the "scientists" went full political pundit on this "new >> norm" but there is no indicator this wont be like almost every novel virus >> in the past and when its starved it will go away. Literally no science >> backing the statements that it is a new permanent virus, more historic >> actual science based evidence that this is a one and done that may see a >> resurgence at some point, but thats it. >> >> the actual non pundit epidemiologists have said like most new viral >> variants this will have a 3 "season" lifespan, likely 4 thanks to >> mitigation. we are in the 2nd round, hitting the numbers they anticipated. >> without the vaccine to expedite, we will see a spring/summer decline with a >> 2021 resurgence in the fall of lower magnitude than this fall/winter. Had >> we not mitigated and delayed the natural progression that would be the last >> major resurgence, but it would likely see a notable 2022 bump. >> >> I like listening to actual scientists speak, not televangelists on >> network tv. >> >> its odd how spanish flu isnt killing everybody without an annual vaccine >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 9:56 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> They no longer vaccinate against smallpox because it was eradicated. >>> The immunity from smallpox vaccine lasted years, but it was thought to >>> decline over time. >>> >>> >>> >>> With a covid vaccine, don’t expect the disease to be eradicated, and >>> chances are we’ll need to get vaccinated again every year. The antivaxxers >>> are already responsible for a measles resurgence. >>> >>> >>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-bad-is-the-measles-comeback-heres-70-years-of-data >>> >>> >>> >>> If we just barely get enough people vaccinated in 2021 to control the >>> pandemic, and then people don’t continue to get vaccinated every year, >>> we’ll be dealing with this at some level for a long time maybe forever. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:29 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >>> >>> >>> >>> did they have karens back then that said they didnt want it cause it was >>> the "mark of the beast" ? >>> >>> >>> >>> I think for shits and giggles they should have these vaccines leave a >>> mark, just for the memes. last "poll" I saw said we are at 56 percent >>> willing to get it. that combined with the recovered immunities will get us >>> to herd rate by february >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 9:18 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> What I recall was them putting a dab of the vaccine on your skin (after >>> sterilizing the area), then poking the area with a pin several times. They >>> covered it with a bandaid, a scab formed, and a week later the scab fell >>> off leaving a small scar. I don't think I have the scar any longer, or it's >>> so faint as to be not noticeable. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> bp >>> >>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 6:40 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> That may be right. It wasn’t an injection, more like put something on >>> the skin and then scratched or did something to break the skin. I believe >>> the smallpox vaccine was live virus. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2020 5:15 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >>> >>> >>> >>> Seems to me they scratched me a bunch rather than poked me. At least >>> for one of them it felt like scratching. Haven’t looked for the scar in >>> years. Wonder if it is still visible. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I, along with many people my age, have a coin sized scar on my upper arm >>> from a smallpox vaccination as a kid. They jabbed you multiple times with >>> a needle, then you got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually >>> fell off and left a scar. >>> >>> >>> >>> People today are wusses. Wow, I might feel a little off for a day or >>> two if I get this vaccine, I think I’ll skip it and maybe die. Or rely on >>> everyone around me to get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”. >>> >>> >>> >>> But you’re probably right. That plus the anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of >>> people get the vaccine (including the second shot) it’s going to keep >>> circulating. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >>> >>> >>> >>> This will be a real issue for these vaccines.. >>> >>> >>> https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/ >>> >>> On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel >>> or work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm. Sure, why not. >>> We don’t need it to actually work, do we? >>> >>> >>> >>> *add skepticism to taste >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On >>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >>> >>> >>> >>> All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the >>> numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million >>> divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare >>> workers and high risk. >>> >>> I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only >>> if a lot of people get vaccinated. >>> >>> The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson&Johnson one, and that's >>> supposed to be a single dose. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the >>> US this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to >>> meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new >>> home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been >>> the ideal pairing with tracing. >>> >>> >>> >>> Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health >>> department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive >>> through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke >>> that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop >>> off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my >>> mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card, >>> whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6 >>> hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of >>> all the jackleggery everywhere else. >>> >>> Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use >>> them, instead ship them off. >>> >>> Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future. >>> >>> >>> >>> The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we >>> built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time. >>> This will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post >>> mortem. As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the >>> systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it >>> only works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now. >>> >>> There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs >>> out. Guess which phase we're in. At this point, contact tracing is pretty >>> useless, even testing is of questionable use. About all you can do if you >>> test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers. >>> Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already >>> suspect they have it. >>> >>> Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast >>> enough or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from >>> people, I'm not sure how much it would have helped. Now about all they can >>> do is tell people to isolate and tell their contacts. Thank you Capt. >>> Obvious. And like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless. >>> >>> If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great. Or >>> alternatively, a compliant surveillance society like China. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing >>> >>> Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in >>> church on Sunday from Covid. >>> >>> Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside >>> active guy. >>> >>> They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital. >>> >>> He was a staunch anti masker. >>> >>> This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such. >>> >>> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they >>> dont even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though >>> the money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as >>> stopping the spread. >>> > They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y >>> event" are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope >>> pretty much the same way across the board. >>> > We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. >>> 6 the seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked >>> different. >>> > We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting >>> the texts. >>> > >>> > The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of >>> money and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm >>> in illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in >>> our fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker >>> Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they >>> probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes. >>> > >>> > My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the >>> dept public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his >>> drive time friday for drivers ed. >>> > >>> > What a joke. >>> > >>> > Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to >>> die of it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the >>> election celebration infections are subsiding. >>> > >>> > Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would >>> have known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would >>> have. >>> > This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the >>> other two I know for a fact listed us as contacts. >>> > >>> > When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and >>> dept of health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there >>> are a ton of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the >>> investigations start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal >>> with once, actually forced a multi county health department to split, only >>> got one person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well >>> enough that the health department had to have constant deliveries of >>> pallets of paper. 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