What I recall was them putting a dab of the vaccine on your skin (after
sterilizing the area), then poking the area with a pin several times. They
covered it with a bandaid, a scab formed, and a week later the scab fell
off leaving a small scar. I don't think I have the scar any longer, or it's
so faint as to be not noticeable.
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 6:40 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
> That may be right. It wasn’t an injection, more like put something on the
> skin and then scratched or did something to break the skin. I believe the
> smallpox vaccine was live virus.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2020 5:15 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
>
>
> Seems to me they scratched me a bunch rather than poked me. At least for
> one of them it felt like scratching. Haven’t looked for the scar in
> years. Wonder if it is still visible.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> I, along with many people my age, have a coin sized scar on my upper arm
> from a smallpox vaccination as a kid. They jabbed you multiple times with
> a needle, then you got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually
> fell off and left a scar.
>
>
>
> People today are wusses. Wow, I might feel a little off for a day or two
> if I get this vaccine, I think I’ll skip it and maybe die. Or rely on
> everyone around me to get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”.
>
>
>
> But you’re probably right. That plus the anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of
> people get the vaccine (including the second shot) it’s going to keep
> circulating.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
>
>
> This will be a real issue for these vaccines..
>
>
> https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/
>
> On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel
> or work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm. Sure, why not.
> We don’t need it to actually work, do we?
>
>
>
> *add skepticism to taste
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
>
>
> All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the
> numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million
> divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare
> workers and high risk.
>
> I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only if
> a lot of people get vaccinated.
>
> The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson&Johnson one, and that's
> supposed to be a single dose.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the
> US this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to
> meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new
> home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been
> the ideal pairing with tracing.
>
>
>
> Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health
> department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive
> through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke
> that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop
> off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my
> mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card,
> whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6
> hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of
> all the jackleggery everywhere else.
>
> Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use
> them, instead ship them off.
>
> Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.
>
>
>
> The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we
> built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time.
> This will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post
> mortem. As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the
> systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only
> works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.
>
> There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs
> out. Guess which phase we're in. At this point, contact tracing is pretty
> useless, even testing is of questionable use. About all you can do if you
> test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.
> Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already
> suspect they have it.
>
> Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough
> or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm
> not sure how much it would have helped. Now about all they can do is tell
> people to isolate and tell their contacts. Thank you Capt. Obvious. And
> like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.
>
> If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great. Or alternatively,
> a compliant surveillance society like China.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
> Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church
> on Sunday from Covid.
>
> Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside
> active guy.
>
> They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital.
>
> He was a staunch anti masker.
>
> This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such.
>
> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they
> dont even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though
> the money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as
> stopping the spread.
> > They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y
> event" are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope
> pretty much the same way across the board.
> > We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6
> the seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked
> different.
> > We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the
> texts.
> >
> > The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of
> money and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm
> in illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in
> our fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker
> Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they
> probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes.
> >
> > My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the
> dept public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his
> drive time friday for drivers ed.
> >
> > What a joke.
> >
> > Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to
> die of it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the
> election celebration infections are subsiding.
> >
> > Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would
> have known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would
> have.
> > This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the
> other two I know for a fact listed us as contacts.
> >
> > When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and
> dept of health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there
> are a ton of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the
> investigations start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal
> with once, actually forced a multi county health department to split, only
> got one person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well
> enough that the health department had to have constant deliveries of
> pallets of paper. There were a lot of "early retirements"
> >
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