I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations. (plus battery and diesel backup) Fiber routes probably similar.
From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM To: Matt Hoppes <[email protected]>; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security It didn’t. One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 or 1000 datacenters. This is the rude fart of an anarchist. And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville... From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security Except it just did. On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit. FB alone has about 100 data centers. The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass points. Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and then cutting it, does not take them down. You will have to hit all the routes. Then the buildings itself is huge. Like a square mile huge. 100% poured reinforced concrete. Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc. Not even get close to where the servers are. And then do that 100 other places at the same time? And then you only got FB. Google, Amazon... Never gonna happen. From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at multiple places down the road. Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME will do it all. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force. From: AF mailto:[email protected] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:[email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications grid is. It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack. On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas - but still. What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin projectile. How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, Chicago and San Jose? Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out and data crippled you could do something else even more major. -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _____ -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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