The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE
and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_ one
side was Canadian and the other was the NY grid. They felt confident
that it would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded
building they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power. With a
building full of fuel to power it for 22 days.. This was way before the
Internet.
On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant
power feeds out opposite sides of the building to different
substations. (plus battery and diesel backup) Fiber routes probably
similar.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
*To:* Matt Hoppes <[email protected]>; AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Cc:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
It didn’t. One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack
on 100 or 1000 datacenters. This is the rude fart of an anarchist.
And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...
*From:*Matt Hoppes
*Sent:*Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
Except it just did.
On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.
FB alone has about 100 data centers.
The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large
cables running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in
all the ordinal compass points. Just knowing which gravel road
out in the country has a FB cable and then cutting it, does not
take them down. You will have to hit all the routes.
Then the buildings itself is huge. Like a square mile huge. 100%
poured reinforced concrete. Even if you had a rider truck full of
anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter
fence and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices
etc. Not even get close to where the servers are.
And then do that 100 other places at the same time?
And then you only got FB. Google, Amazon...
Never gonna happen.
*From:*Matt Hoppes
*Sent:*Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then
repaired again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data
center is destroyed.
While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being
destroyed at multiple places down the road.
Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort
takes place.
On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One
well-timed CME will do it all.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.
*From:*AF mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up.
But your fibers all down. In 5 places. But you only find
out once you get one back together.
Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because
we’re safe.
On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power
and communications grid is.
It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers,
plant bombs at large power transmission lines and then
sync it all together to explode, cut things at the
same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only
but still affect metros since they all feed from rural
power and fiber lines.
There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring
things in the middle of nowhere. If this was done over
multiple states and targeted multiple grids and
fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power
and communication. This would hurt more than any
single location attack.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I
think I’m giving anyone any ideas - but still.
What happened in Nashville has actually been a
concern of mine for some time.
Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took
a lot of effort and planning and getting through
security and learning to basically fly a massive
tin projectile.
How much more damage could a small group do with 5
or 6 vans loaded with explosives in a coordinated
attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis,
Chicago and San Jose?
Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some
major towns.
You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And
now with 911 services out and data crippled you
could do something else even more major.
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