That's adverse possession. You have to invest several years of your
life into that. Live there openly with nobody stopping you for years,
and apparently in some places go pay the property taxes too.
I'm fascinated that it's a real thing, but I'm not sure how you do
it. Maybe you'd find a property owned by an absentee landowner. Start
squatting. Tell the neighbors you've "moved in down the road" without
specifying any other details. Smile and wave when you drive by so they
all know you're there. Quietly go pay the taxes. Hope the landowner
ignores his tax statements or doesn't question why the balance is always
zero. Or maybe you convince the muni to send the statement to you
instead of the owner. When the timer expires get your lawyer to start
proceedings.
I think it's something along those lines. I think people who pull that
off must be either very lucky or very clever. Plan B is a stint in jail
for criminal trespassing and criminal mischief and whatever else they
can think of. So either way I suppose you get a roof over your head.
On 1/4/2021 1:25 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
anybody looked into the squatter laws how those creeps are able to
occasionally take possession of properties and magically become the
lawful owners? seems that may be the least expensive way to obtain things
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:34 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
California has a similar law. The period is 5 years, and there are a
series of points that need to be made. If the easement is considered
valid then the court "may" issue a payment to the land owner over
which
the easement is granted.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 1/3/2021 7:54 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Sometimes a good land surveyor can help you get a prescriptive
easement in situations like this. Mt brother is a surveyor so my
understanding of how he has done this in some cases is probably
not the legal way of describing it. MY understanding is it goes
like this. If a person has been granted easement over a property
over a period of time (I think 5 or 10 years but not sure) and
there is evidence that it has been permitted (an old farm lane or
access road is a good example) that has not been challenged by the
property owner that you cannot use that access road. Then at least
in NY that can be legally called a prescriptive easement, and as
such you can actually file that and record it as a deeded
easement. It's not an easy process and there is a lot of posturing
and the case law has to be argued in court in a lot of cases. So
in some cases that he has helped, he looked up historical aerial
images (not on line but at the local soil and water conservation
district) and found stuff dating back to say 1927 or 1954. In
these cases there was a lot less forest and he could see a farm
lane or access road that was used. Enough use that it's very
evident from the phot. Then with this information, he will go out
on the land and try to find hints of that road or access lane. If
he finds that road, even in the current forested area, he helped
the landlocked property owner gain that prescriptive easement and
then recorded a deeded easement.
>
> Some of that cheap land locked property might be something you
could do this with. Now I am not a lawyer or a licensed land
surveyor so my description cannot be taken and legal advice.
Prescriptive easement laws and case law may be different in
various states so check on that with someone who is qualified on
the topic. In NY Licensed surveyors have a limited right to
practice law in land issues for cases like this. My brother always
said that was the hardest part of his surveyors license to get
through. He spent a lot of time studying and reviewing case law.
>
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>
>
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> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]
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> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:26 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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>
> I think those are called land locked or something similar.
Unless and
> until an owner (or prospective owner) can buy deeded access, it
would be
> worthless to anyone except perhaps a helicopter pilot.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 1/3/2021 4:23 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> The absolute cheapest land seems to have no deeded access at
all. I'm
>> not sure who would ever buy those lots....but someone is
selling it so
>> therefore they bought it at one time.
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/2021 6:04 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> I can add another thing. We live on a quarter section that was
>>> divided into 4 approximately 40 acre parcels. Most of the land
is not
>>> really "buildable" except for a dozen or so acres on the ridge
top.
>>> They carved up the parcels to give everyone close to the same
amount
>>> of ridge top space, and then divided the remainder and
attached it to
>>> the ridge top home sites. The road easement runs along the
south side
>>> of the ridge top. This arrangement worked out pretty well for 3 of
>>> the 4 parcels, as the road easement ended up running along the
>>> boundary between two adjacent parcels except for one parcel. I
think
>>> we got the best deal, as we're at the end of the road
easement, and
>>> "none" of the road (or the easement) actually runs through or even
>>> along the side our property. However, one of the properties
has his 4
>>> acres or so at the top of the ridge, and the remainder of his
>>> property is on the other side of the easement. As a result,
the two
>>> of us at the end, drive through his property whenever we come
or go.
>>> No big deal to us, but it rubs this guy raw whenever we drive
by, as
>>> he sees us as "trespassers" because he thinks of that part of the
>>> easement as his private property.
>>>
>>> When the guy gets drunk, he will call the sheriff to report us as
>>> trespassing on his "private" property. Years of entertainment
ensue.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/2021 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>> A good title insurance policy should dig up and disclose all the
>>>> gotchas.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 3, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Depending on the terrain, see if you can get your hands on a
>>>>> parcel map and any benchmarks. Property boundaries can be an
issue.
>>>>> If you can't do that, get a title insurance policy that
insures you
>>>>> against any future boundary disputes. if there is a time
limit in
>>>>> the insurance policy, make sure you understand the implications
>>>>> and/or negotiate for a longer time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/2/2021 9:28 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>> I'm poking around Zillow for a piece of cheap land.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically looking for some place to play around in the
woods, with
>>>>>> the possibility of building an off-grid camp/cabin in the
future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pitfalls I'm aware of are wetlands and places with no
access.
>>>>>> What else should I watch out for?'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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