You might have to fight me for it... On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:26 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sounds like there's a camper I'm gonna go adversely possess. What's the > address? > On 1/4/2021 2:18 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > Well, I suppose, if you could find some property where the owner hasn't > paid the taxes (find one where the owner never pays until they start > getting reminders for being late, for example), they might not notice if > you just start paying it. Then just move in, and avoid the neighbors as > much as possible. > > I have some neighbors that I'm fairly certain haven't set foot on their > property in the 5-6 years that I've owned mine (it's vacant land, aside > from a camper trailer which, judging from the weeds, hasn't been touched in > a decade or so). I've always wondered why they keep paying ~$2k in taxes > every year instead of selling it, but I suppose they have some kind of > grand plans for it... > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:00 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That's adverse possession. You have to invest several years of your life >> into that. Live there openly with nobody stopping you for years, and >> apparently in some places go pay the property taxes too. >> >> I'm fascinated that it's a real thing, but I'm not sure how you do it. >> Maybe you'd find a property owned by an absentee landowner. Start >> squatting. Tell the neighbors you've "moved in down the road" without >> specifying any other details. Smile and wave when you drive by so they all >> know you're there. Quietly go pay the taxes. Hope the landowner ignores >> his tax statements or doesn't question why the balance is always zero. Or >> maybe you convince the muni to send the statement to you instead of the >> owner. When the timer expires get your lawyer to start proceedings. >> >> I think it's something along those lines. I think people who pull that >> off must be either very lucky or very clever. Plan B is a stint in jail for >> criminal trespassing and criminal mischief and whatever else they can think >> of. So either way I suppose you get a roof over your head. >> >> >> On 1/4/2021 1:25 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> anybody looked into the squatter laws how those creeps are able to >> occasionally take possession of properties and magically become the lawful >> owners? seems that may be the least expensive way to obtain things >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:34 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> California has a similar law. The period is 5 years, and there are a >>> series of points that need to be made. If the easement is considered >>> valid then the court "may" issue a payment to the land owner over which >>> the easement is granted. >>> >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 1/3/2021 7:54 PM, Brian Webster wrote: >>> > Sometimes a good land surveyor can help you get a prescriptive >>> easement in situations like this. Mt brother is a surveyor so my >>> understanding of how he has done this in some cases is probably not the >>> legal way of describing it. MY understanding is it goes like this. If a >>> person has been granted easement over a property over a period of time (I >>> think 5 or 10 years but not sure) and there is evidence that it has been >>> permitted (an old farm lane or access road is a good example) that has not >>> been challenged by the property owner that you cannot use that access road. >>> Then at least in NY that can be legally called a prescriptive easement, and >>> as such you can actually file that and record it as a deeded easement. It's >>> not an easy process and there is a lot of posturing and the case law has to >>> be argued in court in a lot of cases. So in some cases that he has helped, >>> he looked up historical aerial images (not on line but at the local soil >>> and water conservation district) and found stuff dating back to say 1927 or >>> 1954. In these cases there was a lot less forest and he could see a farm >>> lane or access road that was used. Enough use that it's very evident from >>> the phot. Then with this information, he will go out on the land and try to >>> find hints of that road or access lane. If he finds that road, even in the >>> current forested area, he helped the landlocked property owner gain that >>> prescriptive easement and then recorded a deeded easement. >>> > >>> > Some of that cheap land locked property might be something you could >>> do this with. Now I am not a lawyer or a licensed land surveyor so my >>> description cannot be taken and legal advice. Prescriptive easement laws >>> and case law may be different in various states so check on that with >>> someone who is qualified on the topic. In NY Licensed surveyors have a >>> limited right to practice law in land issues for cases like this. My >>> brother always said that was the hardest part of his surveyors license to >>> get through. He spent a lot of time studying and reviewing case law. >>> > >>> > Thank you, >>> > Brian Webster >>> > www.wirelessmapping.com >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince >>> > Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:26 PM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Buying land >>> > >>> > I think those are called land locked or something similar. Unless and >>> > until an owner (or prospective owner) can buy deeded access, it would >>> be >>> > worthless to anyone except perhaps a helicopter pilot. >>> > >>> > >>> > bp >>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> > >>> > On 1/3/2021 4:23 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >> The absolute cheapest land seems to have no deeded access at all. I'm >>> >> not sure who would ever buy those lots....but someone is selling it so >>> >> therefore they bought it at one time. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 1/3/2021 6:04 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>> I can add another thing. We live on a quarter section that was >>> >>> divided into 4 approximately 40 acre parcels. Most of the land is not >>> >>> really "buildable" except for a dozen or so acres on the ridge top. >>> >>> They carved up the parcels to give everyone close to the same amount >>> >>> of ridge top space, and then divided the remainder and attached it to >>> >>> the ridge top home sites. The road easement runs along the south side >>> >>> of the ridge top. This arrangement worked out pretty well for 3 of >>> >>> the 4 parcels, as the road easement ended up running along the >>> >>> boundary between two adjacent parcels except for one parcel. I think >>> >>> we got the best deal, as we're at the end of the road easement, and >>> >>> "none" of the road (or the easement) actually runs through or even >>> >>> along the side our property. However, one of the properties has his 4 >>> >>> acres or so at the top of the ridge, and the remainder of his >>> >>> property is on the other side of the easement. As a result, the two >>> >>> of us at the end, drive through his property whenever we come or go. >>> >>> No big deal to us, but it rubs this guy raw whenever we drive by, as >>> >>> he sees us as "trespassers" because he thinks of that part of the >>> >>> easement as his private property. >>> >>> >>> >>> When the guy gets drunk, he will call the sheriff to report us as >>> >>> trespassing on his "private" property. Years of entertainment ensue. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/3/2021 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>> >>>> A good title insurance policy should dig up and disclose all the >>> >>>> gotchas. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 3, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Depending on the terrain, see if you can get your hands on a >>> >>>>> parcel map and any benchmarks. Property boundaries can be an issue. >>> >>>>> If you can't do that, get a title insurance policy that insures you >>> >>>>> against any future boundary disputes. if there is a time limit in >>> >>>>> the insurance policy, make sure you understand the implications >>> >>>>> and/or negotiate for a longer time. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> bp >>> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 1/2/2021 9:28 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>>>>> I'm poking around Zillow for a piece of cheap land. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Basically looking for some place to play around in the woods, with >>> >>>>>> the possibility of building an off-grid camp/cabin in the future. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> The pitfalls I'm aware of are wetlands and places with no access. >>> >>>>>> What else should I watch out for?' >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> AF mailing list >>> >>>>> [email protected] >>> >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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