It is also pretty easy to look like a genius when markets are going up an
idiot on the way down.  Markets have been going up and up and up for a long
long time now.  At some point that party will end.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:44 AM Carl Peterson <[email protected]>
wrote:

> What is often missing from play accounts is often liquidity.  They
> generally assume you can make any trade at wherever the current "price"
> is.   If you are trading VWAPY that might generally be true.  Perhaps not
> for VWAGY.  Often not when trending $rando penny stock.
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:12 AM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> im simply not grasping this
>> on the paper trading site, ive made 7500 this morning on 10k i was
>> playing with. thats 11,000 dollars in 2 days of playing around with
>> essentially 10,000 up front. There has to be more to this.
>> i see on my schwab account if i make more than 4 same day trades in a
>> week i get flagged as a day trader and need to have 25,000 in my account or
>> i get a margin call. I dont know what that means, im not buying on margin,
>> it would be cash.
>>
>> assuming that I had actually had 10,000 in my real account, would I
>> really have profited 11,000 in 2 days on 5 trades? (there was some math
>> mistakes made, I made the same size purchase each time, forgetting that the
>> increased price lowered the number of stocks i could get for 10k, but
>> technically the sale would have put enough in to cover the difference)
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 4:08 PM Caleb Knauer <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It works great, right until it doesn't.  If it was that easy then we'd
>>> all be wolf of wallstreet.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:13 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > So I've been dicking around with the market, trivial amount, 5 shares
>>> per stock. If I had put a lot in Tesco would have done me well.
>>> >
>>> > I have 100 shares of this penny stock, it's a gold backed
>>> cryptocurrency, I watch it bounce a lot throug the day and its followed the
>>> same trend for its couple months existence.
>>> >
>>> > So I set up a paper account and was dicking today with another penny
>>> stock. Set buy and sell limits with about 10,000 in the play money. It made
>>> 4k in 2 rounds. It's just a couple pennies it fluctuates but at 500,000
>>> shares that adds up.
>>> >
>>> > I told the wife and of course she wants me to cash in something and
>>> play with real money.
>>> >
>>> > I'm more inclined to see how the play money performs, I have some
>>> limits on the crypto stock that we will see what happens on monday morning.
>>> >
>>> > I'm thinking to myself there has to be a catch. If it was that simple,
>>> everybody would be doing it.
>>> >
>>> > You guys who mess around probably went through a time where you tried
>>> that kind of trading, and none of you talk about it now, so I assume the
>>> catch is pretty straight forward.
>>> >
>>> > I was looking at my IRA, it's done pretty good at 17 percent. But just
>>> taking 10k of it and playing with this at 1 percent per trading day, that
>>> would be another 27k annually.
>>> >
>>> > I do see why day traders need low latency though, but with limits I
>>> dont see it has a lot of impact.
>>> >
>>> > What's to stop a guy from spending an hour or 2 every morning with a
>>> relatively small amount in the big scheme of things like 10k trading to 1
>>> percent or better and then going to work? 100 bucks a day or more doesnt
>>> seem terrible for an hour.
>>> >
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