Unfortunately I don’t know the particulars of typhoid Mary’s situation. I understand a bit of the folk lore, but don’t only have an idea of what that story is about. My basic understanding was that an individual who knew they were sick was intentionally infecting others. Certainly a despicable act if that was the case. To better put that in the context of today’s situation I would want to know these things:
1. Was there typhoid vaccine that was generally available? 2. What is the mortality rate of typhoid fever versus covid? I suspect typhoid was significantly higher, but don’t have any data to back that up. 3. I believe there is case law to suggest intentionally infecting people is a pretty serious crime and after the initial stupid college intentional infection parties, we don’t really have people intentionally trying to infect others. If we extend that argument to other diseases, will we now require flu vaccine? It has always been a “good idea”, especially for those in high risk health or age groups. But it has never been required. We don’t even require vaccine for measles, shingles, and a myriad of other annoying and/or dangerous diseases. And these have FDA approved vaccines. However, I would reiterate this: If the vaccine works, and I have been vaccinated, why do I care if others haven’t? Am I worried the vaccine doesn’t work? Do I think it is necessary to force people to take an experimental drug for their own good will against their will? Regards, From: Chuck McCown <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:43 PM To: David Coudron <[email protected]> Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political One question: Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed to just roam free? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2021, at 1:37 PM, David Coudron <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart. 1. Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA approved medicine/vaccine. I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly stated several facts. Among them are: * This is not FDA approved. * This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus. While we likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this “vaccine” will help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact. 1. The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine isn’t safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”. Vaccines are a risk/reward type of medical treatment. Every medicine you take has some level of side effect. The vast majority of medicines have such negligible side effects, that they are considered completely safe. The FDA approval process exists to ensure we understand the potential of serious side effects and drug interaction issues. If you are 30 years old and folks are saying you have to take this experimental drug to prevent this incredibly small chance of you becoming seriously ill or dying, it seems like an intelligent thing to say “I am not sure the risk of getting seriously ill or dying from this disease outweighs the risk of using an experimental drug”. It used to be that people relied upon a conversation with their doctor to determine personal risk of disease and use of a drug. Apparently we no longer do that. We publicly shame people into using experimental drugs. 2. Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a full understanding of drug interactions with other medicines folks need to take. We likely understand the very common medicines, but, certainly not all. We have FDA approval processes for good reason. If for example, you were under 40 and were taking seizure control medication, it would be very fair to hold off on an experimental drug until it is fully understood if the vaccine might lessen the effectiveness of the seizure control medication. An incredibly low risk of serious illness or death from the virus could turn into a good chance of serious injury from seizure. As far as I know data like that is certainly not available yet. 3. Why do vaccinated people feel the need to belittle those that have decided not to get vaccinated by an experimental drug? Does it make them feel smarter? We have people not getting flu vaccinations every year, and that is with FDA approved medicine. But now all of a sudden it is OK to ridicule folks that are making a decision based limited data on an experimental drug for which the majority of the population has a very low chance of serious illness or death? And when they do ridicule folks, they never discuss the facts at hand, or want to have a serious discussion about the risk/reward of this particular vaccine. Two years from now, with an FDA approval in place and a full understanding of drug interactions and effectiveness of the vaccine the conversation might look completely different. Right now, I believe some very intelligent people are looking at the risk/reward and saying “not now, but probably some day as this will become the new yearly flu vaccine”. Until then, my risk of virus related illness doesn’t warrant a decision to take the vaccine. 4. Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that aren’t vaccinated? For those of us that are vaccinated, we are safe right? That was the point of taking the vaccine. 5. Most of the science that seems most accurate right now points to this being with us permanently like an influenza sort of virus. It will show up every year with little mutations that will require updates, or boosters, or yearly covid shots. What ever you want to call them. Is really so stupid to wait until this is FDA approved before participating? If we have to do this without FDA approval, why does that process even exist? I have always appreciated this list because it is usually very fact focused, and very good at exploring solutions to problems. While some lists are very superficial and suffer from pat answers to technical problems, folks in this list have always tended dig deep and find tangible information related to the email topic. I get that it is very easy to joke about the intelligence of those who have made a decision we don’t agree with, but I don’t believe this topic is nearly that cut and dried. As Chuck mentioned, unfortunately this is a somewhat political topic. I don’t understand why, other than the fact that some react more harshly to being told they have to do something. This should be a scientific discussion. If definitely shouldn’t be about public shame. We don’t know the medical situation of those that chose not to participate in an experimental medical treatment. Regards, From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 1:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Chuck McCown <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political They could sponsor concerts and barbecues that only admit unvaccinated... How can I get that fake news to be picked up by the junk news feeds? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:55 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political I've wondered if it might be a good thing for the liberal side to start saying "take the vaccine or not, we don't care - in fact we would prefer that you don't so there are less of you to vote next go around". On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:26 AM Carl Peterson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: That assumes IQ==Comon sense. Lots of smart people can be really dumb when it comes to sports, religon, and politics. It seems a subset of people have convinced themselves that vaccines, and specifically the covid vaccines, are somehow a liberal thing. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:28 AM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global IQ average will increase, right? Always good when your team wins. -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- - Forrest ________________________________ -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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