Did Crown offer any help at all as to who the parties on the tower may be?
Oh, wait, I guess you said you were collocated with T-Mobile.
Can you get good pictures of all of the equipment deployed on one of those
towers? A lot of nerds out there can identify what bands (and brands of
equipment) are being used from pictures of what's on the tower.
It seems like it should boil down to two main camps, either it's on the
up-and-up and the SAS knows about it so they'd be authoritative on if its
operating correctly, or it isn't in which case you'll have to go through all of
this crap.
Try the contacts in the ULS for the carrier of concern?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyson Burris" <t...@franklinisp.net>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 8:43:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA
LOL, Mike you got to get in the game bro.
I typed that up half asleep as well.
It’s not always that easy, but yes we have done all that.
You really think Crown, SBA, American care?
Crowns answer: 3ghz isn’t licensed anyone can use it plus you would need to
contact the interfering party directly
Well they are partially right.
Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131
Office # 317-738-0320
Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA
I just woke up, so maybe my reading comprehension isn't the best yet.
Can't you use a spectrum analyzer to track down the sources of the interference
and then work with the tower owner on who it is that's on that tower and
contact information?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyson Burris" < t...@franklinisp.net >
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 5:24:25 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA
Good morning AF Geeks-
Someone help me understand this better. Several questions below.
We operate in six counties in Indiana. Some rural some not so much.
In our main county (johnson) we are starting to get interference even when we
are connected to the SAS.
While we cannot prove anything yet, each tower we are seeing this on recently
had new T-Mobile equipment deployed.
I reached out to our attorney, Steve Coran, this week and asked him to pulled
the county PAL winners. Listed here:
PAL winners for Johnson County, IN:
XF Wireless Investment, LLC (Comcast) -- 20 MHz
Actel, LLC (CenturyLink) -- 20 MHz
Wetterhorn Wireless L.L.C. (DISH) – 30 MHz
-Century Link has zero cell services of any kind in our county and currently
not deploying in fixed wireless.
-Comcast floats off Verizon
-Dish also has zero cell services of any kind in our count
So what we ended up with is PAL winners who have nothing to offer locally yet
unless subleasing.
Questions are:
is T-Mobile subleasing PAL’s from any of these three?
Is T-Mobile illegally just rotating PAL’s anywhere they want in the country
instead of just local counties?
Anyway to clearly isolate the offending carrier sucking up so much spectrum and
causing all the interference?
Another member brought up T-Mobile as a possible offender. Did any data come
from that?
What time of the day do the SAS databases sync with each other and does this
force other carriers to cut back on total GAA – share nicely?
Has anyone found the other SAS providers to be better then GOOGLE. Starting to
think their system is worthless or inaccurate. Truth is I think this whole
concept of spectrum sharing is poorly handled and not fully tested on 3g.
If a carrier is on the same tower, how will that affect sync? I ask because we
found some very interesting work arounds and results with upload when we
started playing with sync settings…ie distance, frame, channel.
If the customer SM is moved from one spot to another or from a roof to a post
how badly does this affect the calculations on the SAS side?
Things we have discovered:
* Even when we find noise floors on spectrum analysis in a reasonable range
and move to the cleaner channel on the SAS the interference still trashes the
uplinks.
* In some cases the SAS is blocking the cleanest of channels which could be
PAL related.
* In some cases customer SM’s going off other ‘unaffected’ sites nearby may
get knocked offline by the new noise.
* In some cases we have had to drop off the SAS and found switching to
other regulatory has allowed us to switch to cleaner channels and stabilized
subs. (which is exactly what we shouldn’t be doing)
* We have a ton of 450m units going on towers as both new and upgrades. I
am concerned that the more urban areas will struggle with capacity since we
have to break this up across multiple sectors.
History and Equipment:
Again this seems very isolated to our more urban deployments which have
historically been awesome in the 50Mhz channels prior to CBRS turn ups.
Our more rural areas are not seeing this issue at all.
All three locations have very specific and brand new T-Mobile equipment so this
has been our assumption of the cause without such proof.
Equipment on these commercial towers has been no more then two 450i AP’s with
KP 120’ sectors (pending 450m upgrades).
Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131
Office # 317-738-0320
Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540
Online: www.surfici.net
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