The SAS providers should be able to check and see if there's anything registered in the SAS database at that location (whether it's GAA or PAL, it has to get a grant from the SAS) - if there isn't anything registered with the SAS, then they're operating illegally.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 11:34 AM Tyson Burris <[email protected]> wrote: > The issue we are having is the SAS shows everything available and not even > the PALs show listed or protected. > > Tyson Burris, President > Internet Communications Inc. > 739 Commerce Dr. > Franklin, IN 46131 > > Office # 317-738-0320 > Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 > Online: www.surfici.net > > > What can ICI do for you? > > Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras > - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the > addressee shown. It contains information that is > confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, > dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by > unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly > prohibited. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Webster > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 12:11 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA > > This is based on conversations with Richard Barnhart who understand this > probably as good as anyone. He did help develop the standards and SAS > requirements. > > Just saying that while it's possible for the SAS to do that now, if more > users show up than there are channels there is no first in protections. > Make your business plans accordingly. > > Thank you, > Brian Webster > www.wirelessmapping.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 11:18 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group; Tyson Burris > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA > > What equipment are you using? If 450 make sure you use Frame Type 2 for > LTE Coexxistence. > > Then contact your SAS who will promptly kick T-Mobile off of part of the > GAA and allow both of you to coexist nicely. > > On 7/25/21 6:24 AM, Tyson Burris wrote: > > Good morning AF Geeks- > > > > Someone help me understand this better. Several questions below. > > > > We operate in six counties in Indiana. Some rural some not so much. > > > > In our main county (johnson) we are starting to get interference even > > when we are connected to the SAS. > > > > While we cannot prove anything yet, each tower we are seeing this on > > recently had new T-Mobile equipment deployed. > > > > I reached out to our attorney, Steve Coran, this week and asked him to > > pulled the county PAL winners. Listed here: > > > > PAL winners for Johnson County, IN: > > > > XF Wireless Investment, LLC (Comcast) -- 20 MHz > > > > Actel, LLC (CenturyLink) -- 20 MHz > > > > Wetterhorn Wireless L.L.C. (DISH) - 30 MHz > > > > -Century Link has zero cell services of any kind in our county and > > currently not deploying in fixed wireless. > > > > -Comcast floats off Verizon > > > > -Dish also has zero cell services of any kind in our count > > > > So what we ended up with is PAL winners who have nothing to offer > > locally yet unless subleasing. > > > > Questions are: > > > > is T-Mobile subleasing PAL's from any of these three? > > > > Is T-Mobile illegally just rotating PAL's anywhere they want in the > > country instead of just local counties? > > > > Anyway to clearly isolate the offending carrier sucking up so much > > spectrum and causing all the interference? > > > > Another member brought up T-Mobile as a possible offender. Did any > > data come from that? > > > > What time of the day do the SAS databases sync with each other and > > does this force other carriers to cut back on total GAA - share nicely? > > > > Has anyone found the other SAS providers to be better then GOOGLE. > > Starting to think their system is worthless or inaccurate. Truth is I > > think this whole concept of spectrum sharing is poorly handled and not > > fully tested on 3g. > > > > If a carrier is on the same tower, how will that affect sync? I ask > > because we found some very interesting work arounds and results with > > upload when we started playing with sync settings.ie distance, frame, > > channel. > > > > If the customer SM is moved from one spot to another or from a roof to > > a post how badly does this affect the calculations on the SAS side? > > > > Things we have discovered: > > > > * Even when we find noise floors on spectrum analysis in a reasonable > > range and move to the cleaner channel on the SAS the interference > > still trashes the uplinks. > > * In some cases the SAS is blocking the cleanest of channels which > > could be PAL related. > > * In some cases customer SM's going off other 'unaffected' sites > > nearby may get knocked offline by the new noise. > > * In some cases we have had to drop off the SAS and found switching to > > other regulatory has allowed us to switch to cleaner channels and > > stabilized subs. (which is exactly what we shouldn't be doing) > > * We have a ton of 450m units going on towers as both new and > > upgrades. I am concerned that the more urban areas will struggle > > with capacity since we have to break this up across multiple sectors. > > > > History and Equipment: > > > > Again this seems very isolated to our more urban deployments which > > have historically been awesome in the 50Mhz channels prior to CBRS turn > ups. > > > > Our more rural areas are not seeing this issue at all. > > > > All three locations have very specific and brand new T-Mobile > > equipment so this has been our assumption of the cause without such > proof. > > > > Equipment on these commercial towers has been no more then two 450i > > AP's with KP 120' sectors (pending 450m upgrades). > > > > *Tyson Burris, President** > > **Internet Communications Inc.** > > **739 Commerce Dr.** > > **Franklin, IN 46131** > > *** > > *Office #**317-738-0320 * > > *Cell/Direct #**317-412-1540 * > > *Online: **www.surfici.net* > > > > ICI > > > > *What can ICI do for you?* > > > > > > *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP > > Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.* > > ** > > *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee > > shown. 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