My nephew at age 17, had sex with his girl friend, got her pregnant and
got arrested for having sex with a minor. Recently out of jail and on
parole, his daughter gave him her cell phone so his parole officer could
keep tabs on him. He got tossed back in jail for having her phone
because she had a dating service on her phone. Is life fucked up or
what? Our law system can fuck a boy for life, even after he has paid
his time in jail. A hundred years ago, almost everybody's grandma
probably got pregnant and married by age 14-15, this has been so for
thousands of years. Suddenly we're supposed to act differently about this?
30 years ago, I caught my 17 year-old daughter in bed with a 22 year-old
security guard from Great America theme park. I called the cops because
I was really upset they would do this in my own house and I didn't like
the guy, thought he was a creep. The cops did nothing about it, called
it consensual. Turned out the guy was a creep even though he became the
father of my grand-daughter and failed for years to pay child-support.
I'm a hypocrite on this issue
Crime is only a crime if the police decide it's a crime. and if you get
caught by them.
Anyone who has been to jail for a crime and did their time has paid
their debt. If they want to continue to be a criminal is a separate
problem.
On 1/5/22 12:13, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I hired everyone with a pulse at the height of our construction
activities. Lots of them had records. Mostly drugs. One I think had
done hard time for murder 20 years ago. That guy had a bad impulse
control and was bouncing around companies. He actually quit me to go
to another company but he did not have a firm offer and they did not
hire him. He blamed me for this whole thing. The druggies typically
fail. I have only had one druggie success story in 40 years of doing
this. At least it is a success so far. They all can do OK for a
while, but they almost always relapse. Never had a sex offender that
I knew of.
Well.... when I was 16 and my girlfriend was 15... it was the 70s...
nobody cared about that kind of thing back then.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge
So heres a moral pickle.
An applicant with a pending criminal charge in general, would you hire?
An applicant with a pending felony charge?
an applicant with a possession of child porn charge?
This is one of those times where if you have ever deferred to the
constitution, youre skirting the edge of extreme hypocrisy. But
reality dictates maintaining a constitutionalist posture may not
always be possible.
We have one applicant on parole, we are somewhat giving him
consideration, though it was an aggravated battery, so physical in
nature, but his "story" does soften the charge. He was able to
transfer a parole out of the conviction state, thats not something
they tend to do for non compliant parolees. Could go either way.
Now the pending charges guy happens to be my neighbor, my rental
tenant, a shirt tail cousin, and my daughter babysat for him (that
risk has already been assessed). Historically I tried to recruit him
as staff, but my nephew got him a job in sales, and he made pretty
good dough, better than we pay. As a result of no call no shows post
arrest, hes no longer a team member at my nephews workplace (that kept
them clean on the legailty of firing over an unconvicted charge)
My nephew, who was his supervisor and close friend discussed the
charges. What was relayed to me is it was something from when he was
young and dumb catching up to him. My nephew, whose opinion i trust
has the full details and said it really isnt a "serious" issue. My
guess is something dumb like a nude pic on his phone from when he was
a teen of his current GF at the time (illinois codified that as a
possesion of child pornagraphy a few years back)
His bond was only 10,000 10% so 1000 to walk, this county never sets
bonds that low on child porn charges, so it indicates a less severe
issue. Our county, however doesnt indiscriminately drop sex crime
charges, so that tells me its reasonably suspiscious and beyon a pic
of his kid in the bathtub type of thing.
He says hes fighting it, I assume all predators would say that.
There is a selfish motivation for concerning myself with his
employment status, we are his landlord, and we need paid.
If I wasnt such a firm believer in the value of our constitution, I
may not have any quandry here. Its a charge, and a bad one. But, we
are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, and as late we have
seen popular opinion and guilt are not one in the same. So I hate to
recommend something that goes against my core principles. I also
understand that pending charges of any sort equate to lost time, but
there are many reasons for a new hire to miss time toward the
beginning of the hire, thats a managable issue. Theres the risk of the
employee going off to prison, but again, theyre unconvicted. Then
there is the most real of the concerns, the charge is public knowlege,
not put in papers, but available by looking up the name in the public
court files (another oddity, this county always publicizes arrests of
this sort, so im not sure what not doing so is about)
But our customers would probably not be pleased to know we were
sending pedophiles into their homes. Granted, this isnt a pedophile
charge and theres no conviction, I think we all can agree that for the
most part any sex offender is looked on as a pedophile, I know that
until otherwise confirmed, thats how I look at them.
The minute I found out about the charge I reached out to a counsellor
friend on exactly how to approach my 13 year old daughter who had
babysat there. I wanted to ensure had there been anything nefarious
that took place my line of questioning wouldnt make her clam up. It
turned out to be ok after talking to her, but this is a kid Ive known
since he was little and my first response was to assume he was a
pedophile. So customers would react the same
It is a quandry, I dont forsee any way of hiring the guy even if I
wanted to recommend it, but it does make me question my convictions I
had up until this point considered to be very firm.
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