Poor, not white, 2 strikes before you even get started. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:27 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge
What Bill said is a simple fact. Having said that, it's a stereotype for a reason. The large majority of people in that stereotype are upholding it. Maybe that guy is the exception to the rule, maybe not. Personally I've been burned every time so I'm kind of done. Maybe you're a whole lot nicer than me (and of course you have a personal interest + benefit). Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 6:57 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: I'm resigned to the concept that we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system that can be manipulated by people with more money. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 1/5/2022 1:42 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: My nephew at age 17, had sex with his girl friend, got her pregnant and got arrested for having sex with a minor. Recently out of jail and on parole, his daughter gave him her cell phone so his parole officer could keep tabs on him. He got tossed back in jail for having her phone because she had a dating service on her phone. Is life fucked up or what? Our law system can fuck a boy for life, even after he has paid his time in jail. A hundred years ago, almost everybody's grandma probably got pregnant and married by age 14-15, this has been so for thousands of years. Suddenly we're supposed to act differently about this? 30 years ago, I caught my 17 year-old daughter in bed with a 22 year-old security guard from Great America theme park. I called the cops because I was really upset they would do this in my own house and I didn't like the guy, thought he was a creep. The cops did nothing about it, called it consensual. Turned out the guy was a creep even though he became the father of my grand-daughter and failed for years to pay child-support. I'm a hypocrite on this issue Crime is only a crime if the police decide it's a crime. and if you get caught by them. Anyone who has been to jail for a crime and did their time has paid their debt. If they want to continue to be a criminal is a separate problem. On 1/5/22 12:13, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I hired everyone with a pulse at the height of our construction activities. Lots of them had records. Mostly drugs. One I think had done hard time for murder 20 years ago. That guy had a bad impulse control and was bouncing around companies. He actually quit me to go to another company but he did not have a firm offer and they did not hire him. He blamed me for this whole thing. The druggies typically fail. I have only had one druggie success story in 40 years of doing this. At least it is a success so far. They all can do OK for a while, but they almost always relapse. Never had a sex offender that I knew of. Well.... when I was 16 and my girlfriend was 15... it was the 70s... nobody cared about that kind of thing back then. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge So heres a moral pickle. An applicant with a pending criminal charge in general, would you hire? An applicant with a pending felony charge? an applicant with a possession of child porn charge? This is one of those times where if you have ever deferred to the constitution, youre skirting the edge of extreme hypocrisy. But reality dictates maintaining a constitutionalist posture may not always be possible. We have one applicant on parole, we are somewhat giving him consideration, though it was an aggravated battery, so physical in nature, but his "story" does soften the charge. He was able to transfer a parole out of the conviction state, thats not something they tend to do for non compliant parolees. Could go either way. Now the pending charges guy happens to be my neighbor, my rental tenant, a shirt tail cousin, and my daughter babysat for him (that risk has already been assessed). Historically I tried to recruit him as staff, but my nephew got him a job in sales, and he made pretty good dough, better than we pay. As a result of no call no shows post arrest, hes no longer a team member at my nephews workplace (that kept them clean on the legailty of firing over an unconvicted charge) My nephew, who was his supervisor and close friend discussed the charges. What was relayed to me is it was something from when he was young and dumb catching up to him. My nephew, whose opinion i trust has the full details and said it really isnt a "serious" issue. My guess is something dumb like a nude pic on his phone from when he was a teen of his current GF at the time (illinois codified that as a possesion of child pornagraphy a few years back) His bond was only 10,000 10% so 1000 to walk, this county never sets bonds that low on child porn charges, so it indicates a less severe issue. Our county, however doesnt indiscriminately drop sex crime charges, so that tells me its reasonably suspiscious and beyon a pic of his kid in the bathtub type of thing. He says hes fighting it, I assume all predators would say that. There is a selfish motivation for concerning myself with his employment status, we are his landlord, and we need paid. If I wasnt such a firm believer in the value of our constitution, I may not have any quandry here. Its a charge, and a bad one. But, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, and as late we have seen popular opinion and guilt are not one in the same. So I hate to recommend something that goes against my core principles. I also understand that pending charges of any sort equate to lost time, but there are many reasons for a new hire to miss time toward the beginning of the hire, thats a managable issue. Theres the risk of the employee going off to prison, but again, theyre unconvicted. Then there is the most real of the concerns, the charge is public knowlege, not put in papers, but available by looking up the name in the public court files (another oddity, this county always publicizes arrests of this sort, so im not sure what not doing so is about) But our customers would probably not be pleased to know we were sending pedophiles into their homes. Granted, this isnt a pedophile charge and theres no conviction, I think we all can agree that for the most part any sex offender is looked on as a pedophile, I know that until otherwise confirmed, thats how I look at them. The minute I found out about the charge I reached out to a counsellor friend on exactly how to approach my 13 year old daughter who had babysat there. I wanted to ensure had there been anything nefarious that took place my line of questioning wouldnt make her clam up. It turned out to be ok after talking to her, but this is a kid Ive known since he was little and my first response was to assume he was a pedophile. So customers would react the same It is a quandry, I dont forsee any way of hiring the guy even if I wanted to recommend it, but it does make me question my convictions I had up until this point considered to be very firm. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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