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On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 11:14 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don’t think we disagree that much here. The fundamental part is that > people have to know how to use it (and then do so). > > > > If the person who understands the spreadsheet system leaves, now someone > has to figure that out. Spreadsheets are basically free form entry so the 2 > nd, 3rd, and 4th person to come along and do something different than the > 1st person did. > > > > I may not *want* to send every splicer for Vetro’s training, but I have > the option. If the person who understood the spreadsheets is gone, then we > have to reverse engineer whatever the heck that person was doing. > > The one feature on a spreadsheet that might sell it for me is that you can > put comments and notes on any cell, so if something is ever weird or > unclear you could type up an explanation as a sticky note that pops up when > you click the cell. I wish every piece of software would let you do that. > > > > *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2022 1:34 PM > *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < > af@af.afmug.com>; 'Josh Luthman' <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation > > > > The fancy expensive software looks nice, but it is a bear to learn and > keep up in my experience. You have to have someone get the training and > then when they leave the company nobody knows how to use it. I have been > through this several times. If you can get the record maint being done by > the splicers then it works and splicers can easily learn spreadsheet > documentation. But do you really want to send your splicers to Mapcom for > a week to learn the system? > > > > *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, July 7, 2022 11:31 AM > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' ; 'Josh Luthman' > > *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown' > > *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation > > > > Whatever you do works best if the people know how to use it and keep it up > to date. > > > > There are definitely people paying for fiber mapping software who then > only have partial data in it which they then mingle with institutional > memory and personal knowledge, which is only slightly better than no > documentation. > > > > I guess the problem I see with a spreadsheet specifically is that the > person filling in the data has to know what to put in, and the person > reading it has to know what all of your notations mean. When I tried the > spreadsheet method as a complete noob it was had to know exactly how to > structure it and what I should put in the cells. If you buy the software > then someone else has built the scaffolding for you. The trick then is > getting everyone to put the data in and keep it up to date. And to be > clear, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with the spreadsheet method, > I’m saying it probably works for you because you have practice at it, and > maybe you’re building upon a history of working with paper cable books in a > 3-ring binder. For a complete neophyte, it might be just as well to learn > a software package. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2022 10:25 AM > *To:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>; AnimalFarm Microwave > Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation > > > > I can document a case in an email: > > 144 Route 0 1-48 -> 1-48 Route C > > 144 Route 0 49-60 –> 1-12 Route D > > 144 Route 0 61-132 0-> 1-72 Route B > > 144 Route 0 133-144 –> 1-12 Route A > > > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > > *Sent:* Thursday, July 7, 2022 8:14 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation > > > > That doesn't tell you how to do a case at all? > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 5:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > > Here is a page from mine. > > > > I have a patch panel in my Central office connected to my 576 strand > cable. Kinda the MDF in copper telecom terminology. > > > > Strand 397 on the patch panel and of the 576 strand cable is spliced to > strand 253 of my 432 strand cable at my 00 hand hole. (can’t see the 00 on > this sheet) > > > > Then it runs down the road on the SR36 route to the Canyon Road hand hole. > > > > In that handhole there is a splitter connected to strand 253 of the 432. > > > > The 32nd output of that splitter is connected to the 32nd strand of the > Canyon Road 48 strand cable and serves a customer named Ben Garrard. > > > > And I can tell you all of this detail by just a glance at this single page > of my cable book. And it is free... > > > > *From:* Jason McKemie > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2022 1:18 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Splice Documentation > > > > Revisiting this. > > > > I've been trying to find something besides spreadsheets to document > splices / splice cases, but cannot find anything that isn't an > all-inclusive package with a matching monthly fee. Does anyone know of > anything out there that works for this? I've been trying to use > spreadsheets, but find them extraordinarily cumbersome. I'm starting to > think some graphing paper and a pencil might be the only option. > > > > I don't really need mapping, but something that involves > mapping/GIS/splice documentation may be useful as well. > > > > Thanks. > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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