Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33
Steve, I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > theres septic sondes you can use for rodding > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of >> my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. >> Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >>> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>>> locators. >>>> >>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>> >>>> Carl, >>>> >>>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As >>>> to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill >>>> sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's >>>> 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>>>> >>>>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing >>>>>>> on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. >>>>>>> Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a >>>>>>> ground >>>>>>> rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will >>>>>>> do a >>>>>>> good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super >>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>> ones will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a >>>>>>> reliable depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used >>>>>>> where >>>>>>> I could trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can >>>>>>> find depth by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> the center null to the side null is the depth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just >>>>>>> means you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> am generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of >>>>>>> them will do that distance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of >>>>>>> them locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >>>>>>> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to >>>>>>> track but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive >>>>>>> coupling between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much >>>>>>> current flows so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape >>>>>>> down a plastic duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> perhaps hundreds of feed if you are lucky. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the >>>>>>> audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those >>>>>>> frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher >>>>>>> frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick >>>>>>> up the signal. Rycom is one of those. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid >>>>>>> SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or >>>>>>> bad >>>>>>> or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, >>>>>>>> LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. >>>>>>>> SPX25 >>>>>>>> is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 >>>>>>>> utility >>>>>>>> locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. >>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>> if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a >>>>>>>> smaller >>>>>>>> ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find >>>>>>>> everything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The >>>>>>>>> only one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it >>>>>>>>> doesn't need to be too high end. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm looking at getting one of these: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a >>>>>>>>>>> bunch of >>>>>>>>>>> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have >>>>>>>>>>> recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're >>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have >>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model >>>>>>>>>>> out, that's >>>>>>>>>>> cheaper than the AT-3500 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or >>>>>>>>>>> traceable fiber (Clamp) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>> >>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>> >>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>> >>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>> >>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>> >>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>> >>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>> >>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>> >>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Peterson >> >> *PORT NETWORKS* >> >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >> (410) 637-3707 >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
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