Theyre probably made with commercial and not industrial components since theyre expected to be lost in the septic tank
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 9:25 AM Carl Peterson <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am > going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. > https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 > > Steve, > I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the > regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz > which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> theres septic sondes you can use for rodding >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end >>> of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. >>> Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >>>> >>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>> >>>> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >>>> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>>>> locators. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>> >>>>> Carl, >>>>> >>>>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. >>>>> As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the >>>>> drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech >>>>> says >>>>> it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other >>>>> utilities). >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>>>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing >>>>>>>> on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. >>>>>>>> Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a >>>>>>>> ground >>>>>>>> rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will >>>>>>>> do a >>>>>>>> good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super >>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>> ones will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a >>>>>>>> reliable depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used >>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>> I could trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can >>>>>>>> find depth by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 >>>>>>>> degrees and >>>>>>>> then finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> the center null to the side null is the depth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just >>>>>>>> means you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my >>>>>>>> experience I >>>>>>>> am generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> them will do that distance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of >>>>>>>> them locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >>>>>>>> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure >>>>>>>> gas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to >>>>>>>> track but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive >>>>>>>> coupling between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much >>>>>>>> current flows so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape >>>>>>>> down a plastic duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> perhaps hundreds of feed if you are lucky. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the >>>>>>>> audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those >>>>>>>> frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher >>>>>>>> frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not >>>>>>>> transmit as >>>>>>>> far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick >>>>>>>> up the signal. Rycom is one of those. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid >>>>>>>> SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good >>>>>>>> or bad >>>>>>>> or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, >>>>>>>>> LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. >>>>>>>>> SPX25 >>>>>>>>> is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 >>>>>>>>> utility >>>>>>>>> locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty >>>>>>>>> pinpoint. But >>>>>>>>> if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a >>>>>>>>> smaller >>>>>>>>> ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>> everything. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The >>>>>>>>>> only one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it >>>>>>>>>> doesn't need to be too high end. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking at getting one of these: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a >>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of >>>>>>>>>>>> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have >>>>>>>>>>>> recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but >>>>>>>>>>>> they're always >>>>>>>>>>>> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We >>>>>>>>>>>> have an >>>>>>>>>>>> Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model >>>>>>>>>>>> out, that's >>>>>>>>>>>> cheaper than the AT-3500 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or >>>>>>>>>>>> traceable fiber (Clamp) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>> >>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>> >>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>> >>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>> >>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>> >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> >>> (410) 637-3707 >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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