lol. These boomers I swear. Live in your 5 roommate 2000sqft box until 50, retire at 87. Bcck in my day I slept in a dirt pile and we enjoyed it.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:41 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > Fantasy land > > *From:* Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 2:54 PM > *To:* Chuck McCown > *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking > about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money, > trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing. > > If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, > you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a > month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to > make more than $17 an hour. > > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > >> Not sure I am getting your point. Young people frequently struggle when >> starting out. The struggle is valuable. You get ahead by getting >> educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for. You do >> not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live >> in an area where it rains. You eat what you kill. >> >> In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a >> brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities. >> That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money. >> >> So what is it you want me to learn here? In 1979 milk was $1/gallon. It >> is now $4.33. Same price adjusted for inflation ... >> >> I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did. >> >> Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents. Today, $4.50, same price >> adjusted for inflation... >> >> What do I need to learn here??? >> >> >> *From:* Ryan Ray >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange >> >> Chuck, >> >> I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want >> to learn and listen. >> >> Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are >> at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living >> with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the >> work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18 >> an hour? >> >> Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets >> you $2500 monthly net. >> Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi >> <https://www.sofi.com/cost-living-utah/> >> >> Rent: $1100 >> Food (No Restaurants): $253 >> Utilities: $300 >> Gas?: $400 >> I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo? >> >> I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You >> don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start. >> >> Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and >> you cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're >> being serious or not. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives >>> with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard >>> it is today compared to when I was younger. So I did a little comparison >>> for her: >>> >>> >>> My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour. That would be about $10.70/hour >>> today. >>> >>> (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on >>> the farm from 1960 until I escaped). >>> >>> My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman >>> job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour. >>> That would be about $18 today. >>> >>> My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982. Or >>> about $36K today. >>> >>> https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ >>> >>> So how is it people have it so much worse today? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange >>> >>> Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually >>> parent. Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely >>> have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move >>> out. >>> >>> Jeff Broadwick >>> CTIconnect >>> 312-205-2519 Office >>> 574-220-7826 Cell >>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah, that’s a problem for sure. >>> >>> >>> >>> All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and >>> entitlement. >>> >>> >>> >>> Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To >>> use a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it. >>> >>> >>> >>> I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and eating >>> the same PB&J and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly spend. >>> >>> I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. My >>> monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for food and my car. >>> >>> >>> >>> I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I could find >>> and working my way up. >>> >>> >>> >>> And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I am >>> entitled to more because I exist.” Lol >>> >>> >>> >>> My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the >>> time, or have conditions. >>> >>> I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time online. >>> They still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more entitled >>> in language and practice than my older kids. >>> >>> Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors. >>> >>> >>> >>> I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some of >>> these people just throw around money like it magically appeared to them out >>> of thin air without a care. >>> >>> There is no accountability or explanation. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] FB Exchange >>> >>> >>> >>> I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get paid >>> to learn MIG mild steel welding. PT/FT flexible hours. We hire 17 year >>> olds. I immediately got crap from this guy saying that the “young people >>> of today” cannot exist on less than $18/hour which is what he gets and he >>> works from home. >>> >>> >>> >>> Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn welding >>> position. >>> >>> He deleted his post then sent me this: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello there, >>> >>> >>> >>> Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause tension, >>> I've deleted my comment on your posting. My only point was to emphasize >>> that the going rate for a lot of entry level jobs is much higher than $15 >>> an hour. Welding is a great skill and can open up great avenues in the >>> future. >>> >>> >>> >>> However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of >>> candidates will not even walk through the door because other places even in >>> the field of welding pay higher to start. >>> >>> >>> >>> What I emphasized at my company starting at $18 is just one example. We >>> have people here that make well over $50 an hour because we operate on a >>> commission structure. But that $18 base is livable when a one bedroom is >>> $1000+ in tooele a month and depending on where you live it's as low as >>> $1600+ >>> >>> >>> >>> Again, never meant to offend so I am sorry for causing you any trouble. >>> >>> >>> >>> I replied: >>> >>> So you expect someone to walk from High School directly into a job where >>> they can have a nice home, car and things? Wow, without learning a trade, >>> profession or other skill? Our $15/hour people take home $2000/month. >>> Pretty sure someone can exist on that and the smart ones will have >>> roommates or live with their parents. And the smarter ones will quickly be >>> making more than $18/hour. We have exactly zero problems finding as many >>> workers as we need. So your opinion that "youth of today" cannot exist on >>> $15/hour is just that, unfounded opinion. I guess your definition of >>> "exist" is different than mine. You can exist by walking, riding a bicycle >>> or taking a bus to work. You can exist by eating home cooked meals and >>> making a home made sandwich for your lunch. You can exist by wearing >>> clothes from a thrift store. You don't need the latest iPhone and Netflix >>> to exist. Read a book. The struggle IS the journey and is what creates >>> grit and strong character. >>> >>> >>> >>> He replied and blocked me: >>> >>> Yeah Okay Boomer. I was reaching out to be nice but you clearly have no >>> idea what life is like for us today. I just bought my first house at 31 >>> because of how shit things are right now compared to when you were younger. >>> But thanks for proving my point by being an asshole about "my definition of >>> exist" >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>
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