I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money, trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing.
If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to make more than $17 an hour. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > Not sure I am getting your point. Young people frequently struggle when > starting out. The struggle is valuable. You get ahead by getting > educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for. You do > not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live > in an area where it rains. You eat what you kill. > > In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a > brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities. > That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money. > > So what is it you want me to learn here? In 1979 milk was $1/gallon. It > is now $4.33. Same price adjusted for inflation ... > > I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did. > > Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents. Today, $4.50, same price adjusted > for inflation... > > What do I need to learn here??? > > > *From:* Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > Chuck, > > I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want > to learn and listen. > > Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are > at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living > with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the > work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18 > an hour? > > Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets you > $2500 monthly net. > Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi > <https://www.sofi.com/cost-living-utah/> > > Rent: $1100 > Food (No Restaurants): $253 > Utilities: $300 > Gas?: $400 > I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo? > > I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You > don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start. > > Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and you > cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're > being serious or not. > > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives >> with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard >> it is today compared to when I was younger. So I did a little comparison >> for her: >> >> >> My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour. That would be about $10.70/hour >> today. >> >> (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on >> the farm from 1960 until I escaped). >> >> My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman >> job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour. >> That would be about $18 today. >> >> My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982. Or >> about $36K today. >> >> https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ >> >> So how is it people have it so much worse today? >> >> >> >> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange >> >> Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually >> parent. Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely >> have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move >> out. >> >> Jeff Broadwick >> CTIconnect >> 312-205-2519 Office >> 574-220-7826 Cell >> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >> >> On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Yeah, that’s a problem for sure. >> >> >> >> All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and >> entitlement. >> >> >> >> Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use >> a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it. >> >> >> >> I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and eating >> the same PB&J and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly spend. >> >> I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. My >> monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for food and my car. >> >> >> >> I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I could find >> and working my way up. >> >> >> >> And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I am >> entitled to more because I exist.” Lol >> >> >> >> My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the time, >> or have conditions. >> >> I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time online. >> They still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more entitled >> in language and practice than my older kids. >> >> Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors. >> >> >> >> I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some of >> these people just throw around money like it magically appeared to them out >> of thin air without a care. >> >> There is no accountability or explanation. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] FB Exchange >> >> >> >> I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get paid to >> learn MIG mild steel welding. PT/FT flexible hours. We hire 17 year >> olds. I immediately got crap from this guy saying that the “young people >> of today” cannot exist on less than $18/hour which is what he gets and he >> works from home. >> >> >> >> Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn welding >> position. >> >> He deleted his post then sent me this: >> >> >> >> Hello there, >> >> >> >> Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause tension, I've >> deleted my comment on your posting. My only point was to emphasize that the >> going rate for a lot of entry level jobs is much higher than $15 an hour. >> Welding is a great skill and can open up great avenues in the future. >> >> >> >> However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of >> candidates will not even walk through the door because other places even in >> the field of welding pay higher to start. >> >> >> >> What I emphasized at my company starting at $18 is just one example. We >> have people here that make well over $50 an hour because we operate on a >> commission structure. But that $18 base is livable when a one bedroom is >> $1000+ in tooele a month and depending on where you live it's as low as >> $1600+ >> >> >> >> Again, never meant to offend so I am sorry for causing you any trouble. >> >> >> >> I replied: >> >> So you expect someone to walk from High School directly into a job where >> they can have a nice home, car and things? Wow, without learning a trade, >> profession or other skill? Our $15/hour people take home $2000/month. >> Pretty sure someone can exist on that and the smart ones will have >> roommates or live with their parents. And the smarter ones will quickly be >> making more than $18/hour. We have exactly zero problems finding as many >> workers as we need. So your opinion that "youth of today" cannot exist on >> $15/hour is just that, unfounded opinion. I guess your definition of >> "exist" is different than mine. You can exist by walking, riding a bicycle >> or taking a bus to work. You can exist by eating home cooked meals and >> making a home made sandwich for your lunch. You can exist by wearing >> clothes from a thrift store. You don't need the latest iPhone and Netflix >> to exist. Read a book. The struggle IS the journey and is what creates >> grit and strong character. >> >> >> >> He replied and blocked me: >> >> Yeah Okay Boomer. I was reaching out to be nice but you clearly have no >> idea what life is like for us today. I just bought my first house at 31 >> because of how shit things are right now compared to when you were younger. >> But thanks for proving my point by being an asshole about "my definition of >> exist" >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >
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