That is a "lie" the BMS is telling you.

When the BMS reports zero,  there is always a certain percentage of power
left in the battery.    Often around 20%.  This is because a battery under
20% (or a similar amount) can be dangerous.

My understanding is that some manufacturers do the same thing at the top
side as well,  but I don't have a specific example (except that when one
turns on the limit charge to 85% on Android,  it actually starts reporting
85% as 100%)

What the companies which say that you can discharge to zero are actually
saying is that their battery has X amp hours before the BMS will shut the
battery down.   So yes,  if you have a 80ah battery that you can discharge
to zero, you'll likely find 100Ah of energy in the battery...  you just
can't access the last 20%.   All based on the specifics of the cells used
in the battery.

If instead, you have a battery manufacturer who wants to engage in
specmanship, they'll call it a 100Ah battery but neglect to tell you that
20% of that isn't accessible.

Like I said in the last message,  the exact percentage of energy left at
empty is going to vary.  It's just never 0%.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 3:27 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Not to mention you get twice the capacity because lifepo4 can take 0%
> depth of discharge without damage
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 1:26 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> I've been an AGM guy, but the last quote we did, it was about $777 for
>> just the AGMs and $900 for LiFePO4 with everything in a neat and tidy
>> rack-mount box.
>>
>>
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>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com>
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, April 26, 2024 2:01:22 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel
>>
>> I tend toward a minimum of AC/DC power supplies, and fuse blocks or DC
>> breakers for the loads. But the other network engineer I work with prefers
>> a dedicated PSU for each load. So you may not get a uninamous
>> recommendation.
>>
>> Note I tend toward DC sites and other guy sees that as unnecessary
>> expense and hardware. So if you are doing AC sites, maybe don't listen to
>> me.
>>
>> And I'm still using AGM batteries while all the cool kids are using
>> LiFePO4 with BCMs, so definitely don't listen to me.
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: "Steve Jones"
>> Sent: 4/26/2024 1:49:48 PM
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>> Subject: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel
>>
>> I have a bunch of various meanwell 48 vDC power supplies mostly  120 and
>> 350 watt models with most loads being 45wattish and some 108wattish.
>>
>> One site im re-cabling has 1100w in PSUs taking a ton of space providing
>> for a total demand of around 440w. Seems overkill and only accounts for the
>> DC direct powered stuff, not the other 300w or so
>>
>> Whats the consensus on an AC powered site? individual PSUs for ever
>> equipment. Big PSU/rectifier for all?
>> Our battery capacity at this particular site is on the APC at the base
>> providing just AC to the top, we are not bringing the batteries up for
>> reasons and all electronics are up top.
>>
>>
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