This non-profit joint exists due to ARRA funding. At the time I was annoyed that they got money for middle mile that doesn’t serve anybody and we didn’t get funding for our wireless project that actually *would* serve people.
In hindsight I don’t mind them being there. We looked at an IRU for 48 fibers for one mile to get around a bad make-ready situation. They said they’d have to include a non-recurring charge for an overlash because 48 would consume everything they had left on the cable and make all the miles before and after that point worthless. Even with the overlash cost it was an order of magnitude cheaper than building it ourselves. Instead we leased one fiber and we’re building a small POP. That’s less CapEx but more OpEx to maintain another site, and powers higher than me think that’s better in this case. …..and either way having them available saved the day. I’ve seen much higher quotes for IRU’s and often times, like you said, they’re high enough to be comparable to building it yourself. I think they sell I to people who don’t want to own plant, or people who need to execute immediately. -Adam From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2024 7:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic I remember the first IRU I got quoted. It amounted to a figure equal to building it ourselves. My first time hearing the term IRU too. That was probably 25 years ago. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 2:15 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic >From a non-profit middle-mile provider we pay $42/month/fiber-mile for a >lease. Same company does a 20-year IRU for $1000/fiber-mile. There’s a >recurring maintenance fee on the IRU, but it’s peanuts. I’m betting these >prices are near the floor. I don’t believe there’s a ceiling. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Zach Underwood Sent: Friday, May 03, 2024 11:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic We pay $700 per month for a pair of dark fiber about 6km route from our data center to one of our sites both in downtown Atlanta from zayo. We run 40gbps 10km optics. On Fri, May 3, 2024, 11:04 PM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > wrote: We have seen an extremely wide range of prices for dark fiber leases, it's one of these things where every situation and provider is different. I have been quoted prices over $100/mo per strand-mile and as low as $15/mo/strand-mile. A lot of the value seems to be what they suspect you're going to try to do with the strands. 50 Miles to a datacenter, you're gonna be running NxDWDM 100gig waves, big money. Shorter local/metro distance that maybe gets you between your NOC and a small/WISP style tower, or maybe grabbing a piece of an "island" run that can't even connect to anything else, much more reasonable prices. On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 5:50 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > For those of you who have dark fiber access, what kind of costs do you have? > > I'm thinking more of the cost to access these strands? IRU costs, lease, > swaps with other providers, etc? > > I want some sort of ballpark costs to know what's reasonable when we start > looking at this over wavelengths for shorter paths. > > On Thu, May 2, 2024, 2:50 PM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com > <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > wrote: >> >> Mark, we do exactly this on a segment where we have leased 2 strands >> of dark fiber on a 30mile path. The ends of the run have 8-ch DWDM >> Muxes and we have two spots along the run where we have an OADM in a >> splice case to drop out a wavelength. At those points, we set a >> handhole next to the carrier's handhole, and they looped the 2 strands >> onto a 12F jumper into our case, so our OADM is in our case, in our >> handhole. Just be sure your optical margins are planned for any >> potential add/drop points because each does have some loss. >> >> On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF >> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: >> > >> > We may have the opportunity to grab 2 strands of dark fiber. These will >> > allow us to build a loop between two points on our network. We have been >> > told we can also break into this fiber within our loop. I'm guessing when >> > we break into this fiber they will just extend the dark fiber into our >> > handhole and we will be responsible to figure out what we do once we cut >> > into that fiber. >> > >> > I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to do this passively so we >> > don't have to depend on having our loop run though a customers location. >> > I was thinking of CWDM. I can setup a CWDM/DWDM at our site and send >> > multiple wave lengths down the fiber. Is there a way for me to break out >> > just one wavelength at a hand hole passively? >> > >> > Let's say I have a North/South run of 2 strands going though a hand hole >> > and I what to break out 1270nm for a customer. Is there away for me in >> > the hand hole, passively, to peel off just 1270nm. Put something like a >> > 1x2 splitter in on N1, N2, S1, S2 and send those 4 fibers into the >> > customer site. Then install a couple of 1270nm optics in a switch to >> > preserve the loop for that one customer. >> > >> > Do the optics do all the magic or are there some type of filters in the >> > DWDM/CWDM modules? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> > >> > Myakka Communications >> > www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _____ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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