Also, Metro won't sell to anyone that might possibly be a competitor to Conxxus.
-- Mike Hammett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2025 9:00:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how is underground FTTH done? Good info, and yes, that’s exactly who it is. And I was trying to get fiber to one of our towers from Metrocomm (they already feed VZ Wireless at the same tower) but now with Conxxus they are a competitor. And I have learned in the past not to use vertically integrated suppliers with a division that is a competitor, it always seems to come around and bite you. I mean we don’t really serve the same customer base since we have minimal customers in town, Mediacom is who they’re going to take customers from. But it still never seems to end well. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, August 18, 2025 8:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how is underground FTTH done? If its metro/conxxus, which it probably is up there, they run dual duct, one for backbone, one for distribution as I understand it, just like power company transformers, drop a small handhole between every other house with the distribution duct, the backbone duct has a big vault every other block dropping the drop strands from the backbone into the distribution duct. I was told they do home run and arent doing GPON but I dont know if this is true or not. each handhole between houses feeds the house on each side, with a road crossing to a handhole on the opposing side of the street thats not carrying the dual duct package. same from that handhole, feeds the two houses on each side. so if there are 8 houses (4 on each side of the road) every two block would have a primary vault with backbone and large splice case feeding into the distribution duct. each way from that vault feeds 8 homes (16 total). So theyre only doing ring cuts on the backbone fiber every other block or so and dropping off 8 strands each way(16 total). Then there are laterals running big vault to big vault periodically to connect street to street. If theyre running a loop to the hut, each strand cut along the way from one direction becomes available to feed from the other direction. They dont have any powered cabinets, just a main fiber hut so I dont know how true the home run story is, but if youre doing home runs you have a greater number of splices you can put into your distribution since theres no gpon splice power division occuring. They also built their own extrusion plant in Sullivan so they make their own duct and can put a lot more in the ground for a little less money. So process is DUCT - VAULTS - BACKBONE BLOW - DISTRIBUTION BLOW - CUT AND SPLICE - DROPS HAND HOLE TO HOUSE - DROP SPLICE (OF NOT OPTITAP) - INTERIOR They build a solid network and I hear very little end user complaints of merit On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 11:44 AM Ken Hohhof < [email protected] > wrote: The deployment I’m trying to decipher is in town, overbuilding Mediacom. The town has around 1,400 population, around 600 houses. So if I’m understanding correctly, when the crew comes to blow in the fiber, they will do ring cuts at each handhole to break out 1 or 2 strands. Those cables will terminate at a few larger handholes or manholes with splitters? From there the mainline fiber will go down the highway maybe to the next town. From: AF < [email protected] > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 18, 2025 11:26 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how is underground FTTH done? A cable comes in 20k feet. Just imagine you place 20k feet along the size of the road. Now you have 10 houses. You put a concrete box between the houses. Inside that concrete box, you leave & open up 50 foot of cable (mid span, ring cut) and then you can see all 144 fibers. 2 houses there so 2 fibers. We take Aqua/Aqua and Aqua/Rose, cut it, and leave it for those 2 houses. At the next concrete box with 2 houses, you're cutting Aqua/Violet and Aqua/Rose. As far as tools, a $1000 splicer does fine. Maybe a $300 if you ask. I have the opinion if your installer is too dumb to splice a fiber, he is too dumb to be in front of your customers. But yes, it is much easier for an installer to plug in an MST - but you are paying for that proprietary connector. On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 12:14 PM Ken Hohhof < [email protected] > wrote: OK, that helps. I assume MST avoids every installer having the equipment and training to do fusion splices. But I’m still not understanding in an underground scenario, with a handhole at every passing, what do you splice the drop cable to, and where? Is there a pre installed fiber stub in every handhole for that customer, going back to a splitter at another handhole down the street? From: AF < [email protected] > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 18, 2025 10:40 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how is underground FTTH done? Splitters are waaay small. Smaller than a standard house key. What you are looking at is an MST terminal, looks like 8 ports. There can be a splitter inside of that yes. You can have the MST with 8 fibers splice to another 8 fibers or you can have what is in your picture have 1 fiber in, split 1x8, and then have 8 ports out for the installers to simply plug in to. If that MST is a 1x8, you can have a 1x4 before it, between the MST and OLT. That makes for OLT -> 1x4 splitter -> 1x8 splitter/MST. That is still a 1x32 split. On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 11:34 AM Ken Hohhof < [email protected] > wrote: I thought PON used like 16:1 or 32:1 splitters, and in this photo, I assumed that’s what the black boxes were. From: AF < [email protected] > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 18, 2025 10:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how is underground FTTH done? Don't assume that about aerial. That's not how it works. Don't think about it in terms of taps. Generally speaking, installations are PON. What we do is design the fiber so we can hook up 100% of homes. We assign a color to every house. The first thing to think about is that you have to access the individual strand out of the cable, be it 12/24/48/144/etc. That is done with a SpliceCase or you splice on an MST for an ez mode plug. At Imagine we only splice - no connectors, no MST, no plugs, etc. Second thing is that when there's a cable up and down the road, you just need access to it through the case/MST from the house. This can be from the house to the handhole (concrete box in the ground) or you can run it from the house to the handhole through some 1.25" duct to the next handhole where there is one case. I can show you what it looks like if you don't get it yet. On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 11:11 AM Ken Hohhof < [email protected] > wrote: The fiber train left without me, so maybe someone here can help me understand how the physical installation is typically done. I’ve seen aerial fiber and it’s pretty straightforward, I see splitters up on poles maybe at each intersection, and to hook up a customer, they run a drop wire from the nearest splitter to the house. If take rate is better than expected or a new house is built, worst case I assume they just add a splitter. But I also see FTTH deployments going in where they are boring for duct in the ROW and putting a little handhole in front of every house. How does this work? Are they using taps instead of splitters? If not, when they get a customer install order, do they pull his drop cable through all the handholes to a splitter? That doesn’t seem feasible. Are they dedicating a strand to each house and pulling the main cable out each time and splicing to that strand? And what if they estimate the take rate wrong, or a new house is built? 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