This is the church I was raised in, it was formed over 100 years ago as the Presbyterian and Congregational churches merged. It is essentially a Congregational church and belongs to the United Church of Christ, which yes if you do a Google search is described as “progressive”. Which means everyone is welcome and you should go out and actively do as Jesus taught.
https://hinsdale.church/ If I attend services in my current home town, it is here: https://fccge.org/ Some UCC churches have a sign that says “God is still speaking”. I feel like this is relevant to a little discussion we had a few days back about whether non church goers have a moral compass. We know the right thing to do, even without a cleric or book telling us so, and even in situations that could not have been foreseen 2000 years ago. Who are we to say that God does not speak to someone who doesn’t attend church, or who attends a different type of church than we do? Wasn’t there supposed to be a new covenant where God put his laws into our hearts instead of on stone tablets? From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2025 11:59 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats Thats why the denominational churches are closing and the non denominational are booming. You're every bored on a Sunday, head south, service is at 11, but we don't go in till 1115 when the way too loud praise and worship songs are over. They're an alright bunch, even accept my queer daughter and her girlfriend into the fray. We can say that word now, FYI On Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 11:00 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Faith cuts both ways. It can make people hold themselves to high standards and do good in the world. Or it can make them believe they are God’s chosen ones and everyone else is wrong and needs to change their ways. Worse, they can seek to use government to force their religious beliefs on others. Seems trite but one way to put it is “I am on God’s side” vs “God is on my side”, a quote attributed to Abe Lincoln. As you may guess, I have some issues with much of organized religion. (Too many examples of bad things done in the name of religion.) But I was raised in a church that focused on how each of us needs to be a better person, not on the failings of others. It was also very ecumenical, believing we are all children of one God even if we identify as Protestant, Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever. I do appreciate how members of the LDS church put faith into action by going on missions, and how they respect diverse religious beliefs. https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/interfaith From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2025 9:02 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats Pretty good assessment. He was a proselytizer for certain. I admire people with the faith to do that. They put their faith into action. I dont think he was a racial bigot. But against the trans community, perhaps. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2025, at 3:19 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: As I've said before. I knew nothing about Kirk until I heard he'd been shot. Only after I heard he died and I also heard Donnie trash talking the left did I go look to see what he was about. All I saw from listening to what I could stand to listen to did I come to the conclusion that Kirk is a proselytizer, and maybe a bigot. I'm not calling him a racist, as he kind of dances around that concept, but he sure sounded like a bigot to me. For sure Donnie is a bigot. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/23/2025 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I must be living under a rock, because I never heard all this negativity about Charlie Kirk. As far as I knew he was like a lot of preachers, influencers or people with podcasts, apparently very earnest and popular with young people. As long as he didn’t have the power to put me in jail or call up the military or something, I didn’t pay a lot of attention. I wasn’t college age so not his target audience anyway. I guess there were people talking trash about him, but I must not run in those circles. It does seem though like many people in Trump’s orbit are taking advantage of this to advance their own agenda. Somehow “the left” is responsible, and there must be a crackdown using the full power of the federal government, and anyone who criticizes or mocks Trump is guilty of calling for violence and/or insulting the memory of Charlie Kirk. Like what Kimmel actually said (however ill advised) or Harris calling Trump a tyrant. Geez, I thought Trump would take that as a compliment. I’m not advocating for Harris, but since when is calling Trump a tyrant equal to calling for violence or somehow attacking Charlie Kirk? Even Kimmel, he didn’t say anything against Kirk, he was criticizing people who were using his death to advance their own agenda and mocking Trump for pivoting immediately from grief for his friend to bragging about his fancy new ballroom. Too soon even for a comedian, but he wasn’t calling for violence or attacking Charlie Kirk. Actually, I thought what Trump said at the Kirk memorial was inappropriate for a memorial service. It’s always about him. If anyone was insulting the memory of Charlie Kirk, there you go. Instead of hugging him, I wish his wife (widow) would have slapped him. She gave a nice speech. He was an asshole, as usual. From: AF <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2025 2:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats You will certainly get him talking about it Your serving his purpose talking about it because he did Just like when he hints at the third term But CK, when you get past the soundbytes and to the actual meat of the conversation in which the soundbite was obtained, youll understand why last sunday was the magnitude it was, and why is growing On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 2:13 PM Robert <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Thanks! This whole discussion has made me realize more about CK than any of the "channels" professing their own agendas. Just to be clear, I was already on the side of DEI being way too extreme and why Kamala was going to lose. She has long been all about who was paying her than actually having ethics. When she was chosen by Biden I knew shit was going to hit the fan. I actually experienced her defense of PG&E when they let a whole neighborhood explode and the evil that entailed. Sorry though I still cannot get behind what tRump is doing to the constitution and the destruction of the three sides of US government. Washington said never to put his image on $$ while he was alive. I predict we will get tRump coinage in a year. On 9/23/25 12:39 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: No, United back-pedaled it quicker than Tractor Supply or Cracker Barrel. The point is, Charlie Kirk made an theoretical though experiment argument right after they announced it. He got excoriated for the argument as racist. And his foes only broadcast his final few words, not the whole argument with rationale. And they continue to do this as proof of how racist he was. It is disingenuous at best and more than likely simply an attempt to smear with a lie. From: AF <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2025 12:29 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats While clip 1 is the CEO a year ago doing PR and clip 2 is funny, neither represent the actual results of the hiring "mandate". The actual butts in seats results may be wildly different.. Don't you think that the actual hiring changed as of Nov 24? On 9/23/25 11:06 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Here ya go, CEO of United Airlines: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Is5V4Ac8TQA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PjsbmsWtrI From: AF <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2025 10:00 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats Liars, damn liars and statisticians.. I am willing to bet that none of these are the true numbers. & I'll also bet that the United number was a desired requirement, not a hard requirement, and they had 10 ways to hire around it going through a hoop or two. Most of the major hiring is from the smaller airlines. You don't get the big bucks until you survive on the small bucks. I have two friends rising through the minor airlines right now and they are semi-prime candidates but still going through all the hoops. There is also a lot of washout on the minor airlines from pilots that end up finding more money flying other paths when they need to support their families. Air cargo and such. On 9/23/25 9:46 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Seems airlines hire 5000 new pilots each year. (from one unknown source) There are 10,000 new ATP certificates granted each year but half of them wash out or pause flying prior to earning the coveted 5000 hours that you need to become a first officer. So, seems supply exactly equals demand (roughly). Other sources are saying there is a shortage. Now, add an artifical restriction, of that 5000 fully qualified ATPs, your HR department says half have to be black/women. Only 5% of that pool are women. So, there are 250 available. Only 4% of pool are black. So that will get you 200. 450 total per year but your HR department mandated 10X that amount. How will you fill that requirement? Only one way, reduce the number of hours required. But even if you took it all the way down to the 1500 hours it takes to the the ATP you will still only have 900 available to fill 5X the requirement. And you will have 450 underqualified people sitting in the right seat in front. I doubt the figure I found for needing 5000 new pilots industry wide. I think it is low. I found another number saying that United Airlines (the one that had that DEI policy for a while) uses about 2000 new ones each year. Seems that United uses 40% of the pilots each year? In any event, that would make the numbers still work out in a similar fashion. Mandate 1000 where there are only 450 available assuming your company gets all 450. It’s math bitch, not racism. -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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