As I've said before. I knew nothing about Kirk until I heard he'd been
shot. Only after I heard he died and I also heard Donnie trash talking
the left did I go look to see what he was about.
All I saw from listening to what I could stand to listen to did I come
to the conclusion that Kirk is a proselytizer, and maybe a bigot. I'm
not calling him a racist, as he kind of dances around that concept, but
he sure sounded like a bigot to me.
For sure Donnie is a bigot.
bp
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On 9/23/2025 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I must be living under a rock, because I never heard all this
negativity about Charlie Kirk. As far as I knew he was like a lot of
preachers, influencers or people with podcasts, apparently very
earnest and popular with young people. As long as he didn’t have the
power to put me in jail or call up the military or something, I didn’t
pay a lot of attention. I wasn’t college age so not his target
audience anyway. I guess there were people talking trash about him,
but I must not run in those circles.
It does seem though like many people in Trump’s orbit are taking
advantage of this to advance their own agenda. Somehow “the left” is
responsible, and there must be a crackdown using the full power of the
federal government, and anyone who criticizes or mocks Trump is guilty
of calling for violence and/or insulting the memory of Charlie Kirk.
Like what Kimmel actually said (however ill advised) or Harris calling
Trump a tyrant. Geez, I thought Trump would take that as a
compliment. I’m not advocating for Harris, but since when is calling
Trump a tyrant equal to calling for violence or somehow attacking
Charlie Kirk? Even Kimmel, he didn’t say anything against Kirk, he
was criticizing people who were using his death to advance their own
agenda and mocking Trump for pivoting immediately from grief for his
friend to bragging about his fancy new ballroom. Too soon even for a
comedian, but he wasn’t calling for violence or attacking Charlie Kirk.
Actually, I thought what Trump said at the Kirk memorial was
inappropriate for a memorial service. It’s always about him. If
anyone was insulting the memory of Charlie Kirk, there you go.
Instead of hugging him, I wish his wife (widow) would have slapped
him. She gave a nice speech. He was an asshole, as usual.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 2:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
You will certainly get him talking about it
Your serving his purpose talking about it because he did
Just like when he hints at the third term
But CK, when you get past the soundbytes and to the actual meat of the
conversation in which the soundbite was obtained, youll understand why
last sunday was the magnitude it was, and why is growing
On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 2:13 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks! This whole discussion has made me realize more about CK
than any of the "channels" professing their own agendas. Just to
be clear, I was already on the side of DEI being way too extreme
and why Kamala was going to lose. She has long been all about who
was paying her than actually having ethics.
When she was chosen by Biden I knew shit was going to hit the
fan.
I actually experienced her defense of PG&E when they let a
whole neighborhood explode and the evil that entailed.
Sorry though I still cannot get behind what tRump is doing to the
constitution and the destruction of the three sides of US
government. Washington said never to put his image on $$ while he
was alive. I predict we will get tRump coinage in a year.
On 9/23/25 12:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
No, United back-pedaled it quicker than Tractor Supply or
Cracker Barrel.
The point is, Charlie Kirk made an theoretical though
experiment argument right after they announced it. He got
excoriated for the argument as racist. And his foes only
broadcast his final few words, not the whole argument with
rationale.
And they continue to do this as proof of how racist he was.
It is disingenuous at best and more than likely simply an
attempt to smear with a lie.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 12:29 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
While clip 1 is the CEO a year ago doing PR and clip 2 is
funny, neither represent the actual results of the hiring
"mandate". The actual butts in seats results may be wildly
different.. Don't you think that the actual hiring changed
as of Nov 24?
On 9/23/25 11:06 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Here ya go, CEO of United Airlines:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Is5V4Ac8TQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PjsbmsWtrI
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 10:00 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
Liars, damn liars and statisticians.. I am willing to
bet that none of these are the true numbers. & I'll also
bet that the United number was a desired requirement, not
a hard requirement, and they had 10 ways to hire around it
going through a hoop or two. Most of the major hiring is
from the smaller airlines. You don't get the big bucks
until you survive on the small bucks. I have two friends
rising through the minor airlines right now and they are
semi-prime candidates but still going through all the
hoops. There is also a lot of washout on the minor
airlines from pilots that end up finding more money flying
other paths when they need to support their families.
Air cargo and such.
On 9/23/25 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Seems airlines hire 5000 new pilots each year. (from
one unknown source)
There are 10,000 new ATP certificates granted each
year but half of them wash out or pause flying prior
to earning the coveted 5000 hours that you need to
become a first officer.
So, seems supply exactly equals demand (roughly).
Other sources are saying there is a shortage.
Now, add an artifical restriction, of that 5000 fully
qualified ATPs, your HR department says half have to
be black/women.
Only 5% of that pool are women. So, there are 250
available.
Only 4% of pool are black. So that will get you 200.
450 total per year but your HR department mandated 10X
that amount.
How will you fill that requirement? Only one way,
reduce the number of hours required. But even if you
took it all the way down to the 1500 hours it takes to
the the ATP you will still only have 900 available to
fill 5X the requirement. And you will have 450
underqualified people sitting in the right seat in front.
I doubt the figure I found for needing 5000 new pilots
industry wide. I think it is low. I found another
number saying that United Airlines (the one that had
that DEI policy for a while) uses about 2000 new ones
each year.
Seems that United uses 40% of the pilots each year?
In any event, that would make the numbers still work
out in a similar fashion. Mandate 1000 where there
are only 450 available assuming your company gets all
450.
It’s math bitch, not racism.
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