Libertarianism is my default stance, but it pretty much always runs head first into reality when you try to apply it to policy. I would be all for open immigration, but that can't be done when the state provides social welfare benefits. Open trade is awesome, but true free market trade with a communist country that imposes control on the means of production is impossible. On and on and on... "Libertarian" policies are not applicable in the real world.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 8:29 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > I think I am a libertarian in the sense that I like the idea of live and > let live. As long as we don’t have much overlapping influence, knock > yerself out. I am a socialist when it comes to roads and sewers if > needed. Roads for certain. Cops, military and fire/ems. Need a bit of > socialism to keep the FAA and FCC running. I am an anarchist when trolling > liberals on the interwebs and having hidden desires to erect un permitted > towers on BLM land. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2025 6:51 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pendulum Swings > > > > I always say libertarians only claim that label because they're too > cowardly to admit they're statists. > > The only honest people out there are pure anarchists, we always tell the > truth even when we lie and say we are conservatives. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2025, 4:27 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > > A more controversial opinion of mine is that there are Communists calling > themselves Libertarians. They're insidious because they believe their own > BS. The commie calling themselves a liberal and the Nazi calling > themselves conservative know exactly what they're doing. Libertarians on > the other hand honestly and truly believe that they stand against > communism, yet they share the core belief that if we take away the state > and let the people control everything themselves that fairy dust and magic > sparkles will create a Utopia. They have different philosophical > underpinnings, but they arrived at the same conclusion. > > > > I say all this as a person who used to call himself a Libertarian (back in > my early 20's). I knew the official positions were extreme, but I thought > of Libertarianism like a counterweight against government overreach. Like > taking an extreme position knowing that you'll compromise towards something > reasonable. I was cured of this by interacting with other Libertarians and > discovering that they generally believe in their own BS. I still follow > the official party Facebook account, and if anything they've gotten crazier. > > > > -Adam > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Steve Jones < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2025 4:11 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pendulum Swings > > > > "An army officer was court-martialed just for asking questions". No, he > was punished for accusing the army of crimes based on conspiracy crap he > read on the internet without evidence and phrasing it in the form of > questions. > > > > That was a FACT > > > > "Seven Conservatives were banned from Facebook." No, seven white > supremacists were banned from Facebook. They proclaim themselves > "Conservative" only because "Nazi" and "KKK" don't have any credibility. > They're just giving conservatives a bad name and we should have been happy > that Facebook kicked them off. > > > > That was an OPINION > > > > Everything makes more sense once you learn the difference. > > > > It only got this far because we stopped punching each other in the mouth > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 12:39 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > > I suspect there are also special snowflakes who are trigger happy about > claiming Cancel Culture. When someone says "cancel" do they mean "People > were mean to me on Twitter" or do they mean "I was doxxed, harassed, > threatened, lost my job, and had my security clearance revoked"? If it's > the first one, maybe they're the snowflake. If it's the second one, then > did it happen because of saying the wrong thing or did it happen because > they're a lunatic? I ignore a lot of this crap, but I did delve into a few > claimed cases of cancelation that sounded concerning to me. > > > > "An army officer was court-martialed just for asking questions". No, he > was punished for accusing the army of crimes based on conspiracy crap he > read on the internet without evidence and phrasing it in the form of > questions. > > > > "Seven Conservatives were banned from Facebook." No, seven white > supremacists were banned from Facebook. They proclaim themselves > "Conservative" only because "Nazi" and "KKK" don't have any credibility. > They're just giving conservatives a bad name and we should have been happy > that Facebook kicked them off. > > > > I'll admit I do not investigate everything. I can't. Nobody can. But > the few times I have dug into "cancellation" I found the reality of the > situation bore very little resemblance to the meme about it. > Unfortunately, boring reality cannot spread as fast as sensational memes. > I guess I'm just saying take it all with a grain of salt. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Hohhof < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 9, 2025 9:25 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pendulum Swings > > > > Now you can be cancelled for (supposedly) mocking something that happens > in the future. > > > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-photo-deluge-threats-arizona-high-school-turned-upside-right-wing-rcna241672 > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Sunday, November 2, 2025 11:07 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Pendulum Swings > > > > Snippet from that leftist commie newspaper this morning (the NYT): > > > > Cancel Culture. There are more human beings in America eager to be > offended than there are those who are eager to offend. A few years ago, > people had their careers destroyed for uttering words that offended the > snowflake left. Now people see their careers destroyed for uttering words > that offend the snowflake right. These are words like diversity, equity, > gender, nonbinary, antiracist, trauma and hate speech. Even just typing > words like trauma traumatizes me. The horror! The horror! > > > > Snowflakes unite! > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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