I haven't run the newer versions of ROS on a PC yet. V5 was unstable on x86, at 
least on a Core i7. Seems stable enough on our DNS server, but it is AMD Phenom 
II and doesn't see traffic aside from DNS.

Rumor has it v6 is pretty nice on x86. I'd love to hear confirmation from 
anyone. V5 enabled use of some Intel cards not working in v4, however would 
randomly reboot due to a QoS bug with that particular kernel.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bruce Robertson via Af 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE


  Oh, and if you really want to have a lot of horsepower.... why not go with a 
generic rackmount PC, with redundant power supplies and fans?� Serious 
question to those with more MT experience than I.... any problems with doing 
that?



  On 09/25/2014 04:25 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. via Af wrote:

    I see all this discussion on CCR and not running BGP on it. I run full 
tables with 2 external peers on my CCRs with no issue (1 has been up for 240 
days and the other 367 days running 6.2 and 6.4 software releases). I am not 
terminating PPPoE on the devices.

    You guys are scaring me now. What would you recommend for an x86 product to 
handle about 800Mbps of traffic with at least 2 external BGP peers and full 
routes? I see all these products that have atom processors, but that does not 
see large enough. I was hoping I could find something with Xeon processors.

    Gilbert

    On 9/25/2014 9:58 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote:

      For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be 
a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs 
is a major factor in our designs for our customers.

      �

      Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

      [email protected] � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.net

      �

      From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of James Howard via Af
      Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM
      To: [email protected]
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

      �

      I�m a bit confused.� What symptoms did you see with your routers?� 
What I got from Chris� description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to 
bomb.� Replacing the CCR didn�t fix the problem until they rebooted the 
Edge router.� Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash?

      �

      I�m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can 
tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly 
older, not sure when we updated it) recently.� I would suspect that he�s 
having an issue with BGP on the CCR.� In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP 
tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it.� It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge 
router (PowerRouter V3 in our case).� I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for 
about 5 minutes and everything worked happily.� When I started it back up, 
everything was fine until it randomly happened again.� We then shut down the 
BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR.� The CCR does not seem to be 
able to handle more than one BGP table if it�s doing anything else.� 
Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it.� 
It�s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an 
x86 replacement.

      �

      From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Rory Conaway via Af
      Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM
      To: [email protected]
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

      �

      No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers 
from 750�s to 1100�s.� Went back to 6.15 and haven�t had a problem in 3 
weeks.

      �

      Rory

      �

      From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Chris Wright via Af
      Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM
      To: [email protected]
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

      �

      Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, 
Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and 
what kind of throughput?

      �

      Chris Wright

      Velociter Wireless

      �

      From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Rory Conaway via Af
      Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM
      To: [email protected]
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

      �

      On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock 
solid.� We saw similar problems with 6.19.

      �

      Rory

      �

      From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of James Howard via Af
      Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM
      To: [email protected]
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

      �

      Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a 
couple minutes and then restart it?

      �

      From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Chris Wright via Af
      Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM
      To: [email protected]
      Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

      �

      CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19

      �

      After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take 
the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and 
gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server 
manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. 
All�s fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things 
start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off 
around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn�t kick in on Edge 2 and 
the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially 
unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM�s, and ESXi 
hosts themselves.

      �

      Here�s the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it 
and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but 
they�re insanely slow in doing it. It�s not until we reboot our Edge 1 
router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at 
acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers 
perhaps?

      �

      �

      Chris Wright

      Velociter Wireless

      �


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