LOL :)
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/19/2014 08:13 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I’m assuming all 12 WISPs cooperate with each other?
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af
*Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:33 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
Entirely not true spoken by a WISP that has up until this point used
Mikrotik and Ubiquiti in rural and suburban markets with 12 WISP
competitors.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Mark Radabaugh via Af" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:52:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
And now your completely out of spectrum and can't deploy anything
new. I suppose the good part for you is nobody else can do anything
given the amount of noise your making.
Mark
On 10/18/14, 1:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
You just hit the nail on the head why we have never considered
deploying 450 (and similar) in the past:
By the time "you" (relative term) have the cashflow to pay for
those sectors, "we" (another relative term, for people deploying
UBNT or similar) have already thrown up 4-6 shielded sectors and
at least 10 clients per. If we don't think we can hit a decent sub
densityor at least make the site a valuable repeater, then we
don't go there.
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/18/2014 09:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote:
I prefer sectors too but math doesnt always work out. I'll put
the omni in to get the site up and once the customers are
there change it to sectors. The 450 platform is very easy to
drop sectors in and have the existing clients link right up. I
have a couple sites with existing customers i am dropping a
two sector 450 system in with 120 segree KP antennas. cant
afford any more sectors than that per site right now...
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett via Af
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I've noticed a lot of PMP operators are deploying omnis
(presumably because they can't afford 4 APs. Give me TDMA
Atheros with sectors over omnis on anything any day.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser via Af" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
TJ,
No difference between the 3 different frequencies bands
(other than NLOS range) as far as the product itself they
are all the same animal. 2.4ghz NLOS is slightly better
than 3.65ghhz. They all function the same and have the
same expected throughputs per channel width. They all use
the same firmware and i love the interface being the same
across all 3. The only major difference is the 5ghz is V/H
versus slant on the other two. That just translates to the
5ghz omni being ALOT smaller and lighter. There are some
places that i wish the 2.4ghz woulda been V/H because of
the omni size but overall I am still very happy with the
2.4ghz 450.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:57 AM, TJ Trout via Af
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Kurt,
Any pros and cons on 450 between 2ghz, 3.65 and 5? Any
differences at all? Range vs throughput? Obviously 2ghz
penetrates better, 3 is licensed and 5 has more spectrum
but anything else? All bands are open for me
Thanks
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and
3.65ghz and then middle of the summer deciding i had
to"try" some ePMP because the cost was so low I couldn't
resist.... I can say now that I am fairly certain I will
probably stick with the 450. There are many small reasons
that when I considered them all i came to this conclusion.
Here are my reasons:
1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once you have more
than 10 clients on an AP. Once you get over 20 clients the
latency is pretty much 25-30 ms. Cambium was honest about
this at the road tour and they noted if you want the best
latency to stick with the 450.
2. Sync between the two platforms is not there yet. If you
have adjacent towers on the different platforms that can
see each other you won't have sync.
3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients. This is HUGE
for when the clients fire up their wireless camera and
baby monitors and trash the whole spectrum.
4.No burst bucket on CPE's
5.EPMP Interface is SLOWWW. Cambium explained at the tour
they were offloading alot of processing power to the PC
you are viewing the interface with and i can't be taking a
quad core machine up a tower to work on these radios and
do site surveys. I am working with a Panasonic Toughbook
and takes FOREVER to log into the EPMP radios.
6. Fore some reason site surveys are a PITA with ePMP.
Think its a combination of many factors here... slow
interface one of them...
7. EPMP in 5ghz DFS band has really low power output.
Something like 13-14db. When using an omni antenna you
can't get maximum legal EIRP out of the ePMP.
8. 450 link tests and SM modulation is pretty stable and
predictable. EPMP seems like its all over the place. I
don't think I have yet seen EPMP linktest get full up or
down outside of a lab environment.
There might be other reasons but I'm pretty tired and was
heading for bed.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405>
fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110>
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM, TJ Trout via Af
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I haven't been keeping real up to date on current
generation ptmp offerings but we have a new site going up
and I need to decide pretty quickly on some equipment. For
the guys who have been using both 450 and epmp do you have
any pros and cons ? Any reason to spend the extra money
when epmp seems to have the same if not better performance
, sync, etc?
My gut says 450 is going to be my best long term solution
but with all of the positive epmp feedback it's hard to
justify the extra money?
--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 419.837.5015 x 1021
