+1. I’ve already hit CenturyLink’s fastest speeds with anemic little
Rocket 5M’s and nothing special. Imagine what happens when the
Rocket AC or Mimosa come out with their products.
Those features target the urban market where which I’ve seen numbers
like 84% of the population is and for the most part, WISPS aren’t.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
via Af
*Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:39 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
Microcells normally have good SNR. Add 802.11AC into the mix and you
have very good performance without the crappy latency hit.
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/19/2014 05:27 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
Then you miss out on the best performance.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Rory Conaway via Af" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:33:21 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
Ahh, difference of philosophies. I just don’t want my business
dependent on competitors or single suppliers.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gino
Villarini via Af
*Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:27 PM
*To:* <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
So it's Roy against the world of sync
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Rory Conaway via Af <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yea, I covered that in one of my articles. I just didn’t see
everyone sitting around the campfire singing Kumbya. Another
reason I don’t worry about GPS. My next article covers my
main reason.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh
Reynolds via Af
*Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 1:56 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
LOL :)
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/19/2014 08:13 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I’m assuming all 12 WISPs cooperate with each other?
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Mike Hammett via Af
*Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:33 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
Entirely not true spoken by a WISP that has up until this
point used Mikrotik and Ubiquiti in rural and suburban
markets with 12 WISP competitors.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Mark Radabaugh via Af" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:52:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
And now your completely out of spectrum and can't deploy
anything new. I suppose the good part for you is nobody
else can do anything given the amount of noise your making.
Mark
On 10/18/14, 1:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
You just hit the nail on the head why we have never
considered deploying 450 (and similar) in the past:
By the time "you" (relative term) have the cashflow
to pay for those sectors, "we" (another relative
term, for people deploying UBNT or similar) have
already thrown up 4-6 shielded sectors and at least
10 clients per. If we don't think we can hit a decent
sub density or at least make the site a valuable
repeater, then we don't go there.
Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/18/2014 09:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote:
I prefer sectors too but math doesnt always work
out. I'll put the omni in to get the site up and
once the customers are there change it to
sectors. The 450 platform is very easy to drop
sectors in and have the existing clients link
right up. I have a couple sites with existing
customers i am dropping a two sector 450 system
in with 120 segree KP antennas. cant afford any
more sectors than that per site right now...
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett via Af
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I've noticed a lot of PMP operators are
deploying omnis (presumably because they
can't afford 4 APs. Give me TDMA Atheros with
sectors over omnis on anything any day.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser via Af"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs
cons
TJ,
No difference between the 3 different
frequencies bands (other than NLOS range) as
far as the product itself they are all the
same animal. 2.4ghz NLOS is slightly better
than 3.65ghhz. They all function the same and
have the same expected throughputs per
channel width. They all use the same firmware
and i love the interface being the same
across all 3. The only major difference is
the 5ghz is V/H versus slant on the other
two. That just translates to the 5ghz omni
being ALOT smaller and lighter. There are
some places that i wish the 2.4ghz woulda
been V/H because of the omni size but overall
I am still very happy with the 2.4ghz 450.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
<http://www.wavelinc.com/>
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:57 AM, TJ Trout via
Af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Kurt,
Any pros and cons on 450 between 2ghz, 3.65
and 5? Any differences at all? Range vs
throughput? Obviously 2ghz penetrates better,
3 is licensed and 5 has more spectrum but
anything else? All bands are open for me
Thanks
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Kurt
Fankhauser via Af <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz,
5ghz, and 3.65ghz and then middle of the
summer deciding i had to"try" some ePMP
because the cost was so low I couldn't
resist.... I can say now that I am fairly
certain I will probably stick with the 450.
There are many small reasons that when I
considered them all i came to this
conclusion. Here are my reasons:
1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once
you have more than 10 clients on an AP. Once
you get over 20 clients the latency is pretty
much 25-30 ms. Cambium was honest about this
at the road tour and they noted if you want
the best latency to stick with the 450.
2. Sync between the two platforms is not
there yet. If you have adjacent towers on the
different platforms that can see each other
you won't have sync.
3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients.
This is HUGE for when the clients fire up
their wireless camera and baby monitors and
trash the whole spectrum.
4.No burst bucket on CPE's
5.EPMP Interface is SLOWWW. Cambium explained
at the tour they were offloading alot of
processing power to the PC you are viewing
the interface with and i can't be taking a
quad core machine up a tower to work on these
radios and do site surveys. I am working with
a Panasonic Toughbook and takes FOREVER to
log into the EPMP radios.
6. Fore some reason site surveys are a PITA
with ePMP. Think its a combination of many
factors here... slow interface one of them...
7. EPMP in 5ghz DFS band has really low power
output. Something like 13-14db. When using an
omni antenna you can't get maximum legal EIRP
out of the ePMP.
8. 450 link tests and SM modulation is pretty
stable and predictable. EPMP seems like its
all over the place. I don't think I have yet
seen EPMP linktest get full up or down
outside of a lab environment.
There might be other reasons but I'm pretty
tired and was heading for bed.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
<http://www.wavelinc.com/>
tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405>
fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110>
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM, TJ Trout via
Af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I haven't been keeping real up to date on
current generation ptmp offerings but we have
a new site going up and I need to decide
pretty quickly on some equipment. For the
guys who have been using both 450 and epmp do
you have any pros and cons ? Any reason to
spend the extra money when epmp seems to have
the same if not better performance , sync, etc?
My gut says 450 is going to be my best long
term solution but with all of the positive
epmp feedback it's hard to justify the extra
money?
--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 419.837.5015 x 1021
