I just threw up in my mouth a little. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
> Here are the licensed paths that pass within 5 miles of one of my > locations. That's not including all of the continually renewed PCNs. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Caleb Knauer via Af" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:52:04 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio > currently > > Yeah it's getting a bit crowded even in markets that you'd think would be > pretty open. Not bad yet but getting there. 10 years from now we'll be in > rocking chairs remembering the good old days when there were open channel > pairs as far as the eye could see. > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation). ;-) >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Daniel White via Af" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio >> currently >> >> That we have announced, of course. >> >> Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6 >> months either. We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are >> less than a realistic 6 months out. >> >> FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd >> also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no >> hardware redundancy. And no software keys. And a 5 year warranty. >> >> Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well. Trust me, the wait >> will be worth it. >> >> Daniel White – Managing Director >> SAF North America LLC >> >> Cell: (303) 746-3590 >> Skype: danieldwhite >> [email protected] >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio >> currently >> > >> > Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one >> channel with >> > XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. >> Its all >> > one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were >> huge >> > requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks >> better >> > since it will have full QoS control and OAM. >> > >> > Matthew Jenkins >> > SmarterBroadband >> > [email protected] >> > 530.272.4000 >> > >> > On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: >> > > matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra. You could almost buy 2 >> > > links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af <[email protected] >> > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > > >> > > All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I >> > > am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM >> > > features. >> > > >> > > Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) >> > > Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) >> > > Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about >> > > $35k?) >> > > >> > > Matthew Jenkins >> > > SmarterBroadband >> > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > 530.272.4000 <tel:530.272.4000> >> > > >> > > On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: >> > > >> > > What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? >> > > I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? >> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af >> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >> > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> > > >> > > Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. >> > > No smoke. >> > > >> > > bp >> > > >> > > On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: >> > > >> > > What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff >> > > I've dealt >> > > with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- >> > > Mike Hammett >> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > > http://www.ics-il.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC >> > > >> > omputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent >> > - >> > > computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > *From: *"Eric Kuhnke via Af" <[email protected] >> > > <mailto:[email protected]>> <mailto:[email protected] >> > > <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > > *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > > *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM >> > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig >> > > licensed >> > > radio currently >> > > >> > > yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the >> > > threshold >> > > required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down >> > > to 256QAM >> > > and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? >> > > >> > > If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of >> > > something like >> > > -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM >> > > radio at -63 >> > > or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something >> > > you can >> > > reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link >> > > pretending to be >> > > a fiber patch cable between two routers. >> > > >> > > Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with >> > > 60cm size >> > > antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0.... >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af >> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> > > >> > > We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 >> > > miles, one >> > > 60Mhz >> > > frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using >> > > 2048QAM, uses two >> > > cores >> > > (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a >> > > combiner on the >> > > antenna. Looks like any other single FODU >> > > install, very >> > > clean. Not >> > > inexpensive however. >> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via >> Af >> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> > > > Cambium PTP820c >> > > > Exalt ExtremeAir >> > > > >> > > > Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. >> > > > >> > > > Matthew Jenkins >> > > > SmarterBroadband >> > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > > > 530.272.4000 <tel:530.272.4000> >> > > <tel:530.272.4000 <tel:530.272.4000>> >> > > > >> > > > On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af >> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links >> > > lately, which >> > > is the best >> > > >> bargain? >> > > >> >> > > >> *Peter Kranz >> > > >> *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd >> > > >> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.UnwiredLtd.com> >> > > <http://www.UnwiredLtd.com> >> > > <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> >> > > >> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 >> > > <tel:510-868-1614%20x100> <tel:510-868-1614%20x100> >> > > >> Mobile: 510-207-0000 <tel:510-207-0000> >> > > <tel:510-207-0000 <tel:510-207-0000>> >> > > >> [email protected] >> > > <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]>> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] >> > > <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
