iPads are smart enough to do 5 GHz first, that's great!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote:

> Currently there's three iPads on 5 Ghz. Stuck on 2.4 now are a printer an
> airrouter and an iPad. Of course most people are at work now, so tonight
> it'll be a different mix.
>
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> Mike Hammett
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> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" <[email protected]>
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 2:28:25 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
> What devices started using 5 GHz?  Every device I've ever used just went
> to 2.4 first and stayed there.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Get better devices?
>>
>> In my GF's house, it's about 50/50 2.4 and 5. Same SSID.
>>
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>> Mike Hammett
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>> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" <[email protected]>
>> *To: *[email protected]
>> *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48:42 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>>
>> I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house.  I had the same SSID
>> (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  Not a single device used 5 GHz.
>>
>> I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my
>> Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it.  It also works better than 2.4
>> (noise thing I'm sure).  It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to
>> push things off 2.4 onto 5.  I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to
>> this that may help.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That’s our policy also.  Then we get to manage them.  Need a dual band
>>> AirGateway next that’s less than $100.  We are seeing about 40Mbps through
>>> the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a
>>> 5GHz version.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>> via Af
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not
>>> doing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This is why we just included a "free" WiFi router with all of our
>>> installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of
>>> our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test
>>> clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they
>>> didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced
>>> it, no charge.
>>>
>>> Again... customer service is what wins the day. :)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot.
>>> More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what
>>> we’d want.  It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a
>>> regular person would want.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in
>>> their internal network.  If you can monetize this by selling an onsite
>>> support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that
>>> charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not
>>> an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem.  Otherwise,
>>> refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik
>>> router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support.
>>> All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for
>>> them.  Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200
>>> Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems.  I guess that
>>> points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy.
>>> Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer,
>>> so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard.  While Best
>>> Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and
>>> doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the
>>> hell out of the expensive router.  And people like going to stores and
>>> buying cool gadgets.  Maybe I need to rub some “new car smell” on the
>>> Mikrotik routers or something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I guess if your proposed gizmo has a “new car smell” or “latest
>>> iPhone” aura to it, people might buy it.  Just make sure that red light
>>> doesn’t have false detects, or it will just make people complain their
>>> Internet is down because the red light is on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* David via Af <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:27 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf.
>>> The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these
>>> alerts and it will only show alerts associated with their tower or CPE.
>>> Even any scheduled work being done on that site.
>>> Alerts for outages on their connection only is all that will be
>>> displayed.
>>> We are not doing this for anyone on our FSK network only the 450 net.
>>> We already have the Portal for billing.
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2014 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> *An app for my phone?  Yuck
>>>
>>> *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having
>>> issues?  Yuck
>>>
>>> *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is
>>> good/not?  That'd be great!
>>>
>>> *Web portal for billing, easy peasy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some
>>> cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors,
>>> cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I use/suggest an outgoing message.  IF the customer is having issues and
>>> they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up.  This means
>>> that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting
>>> ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they
>>> had nothing to do with an outage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's.
>>>
>>> I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when
>>> their network is having issues and why.
>>> I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy
>>> way to do that.
>>>
>>> I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes
>>> fail and why.
>>>
>>> So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone
>>> and I can take action.
>>> One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers
>>> the ETA to fix etc.
>>>
>>> Emails from Cacti don't count.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>>
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