But why does that PCN say 56?
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Hardy, Tim via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > As of two years ago, the largest channel bandwidth frequency plan in 11 > GHz is 80 MHz, the HC radio probably has a bandwidth larger than 50 MHz. > Same thing with the SAF radio that has a 56 MHz bandwidth – these radios > must use the FCC’s 80 MHz channel plan. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af > *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 4:05 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup > > > > It will also depend on what the manufacturer does. AFAIK, the biggest > channel bandwidth in 11GHz is 50 MHz. However, we have a 50MHz channel in > 11 GHz where we had to configure the radios for an 80 MHz channel (in order > to actually get a 50 MHz channel). Goofy, but that's the way it was set > up. This is with a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Plus. > > > -- > > bp > > <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> > > > > On 12/5/2014 12:41 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: > > Im lost on the wizard screen, The highest FCC bandwidth looks to be > 50mhz, but I thought we were running 56, the 56 option is ETSI. Im not sure > what to select for modulation either configuring the high side right now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's exactly what we have done. Works well without all the muss and > fuss of antennas, attenuators, etc. Heck, the output power is ~~ 20 dBm > (give or take). What's that 100 MW or so? Unlikely that you're going to > damage anything. > > > -- > > bp > > <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> > > > > On 12/5/2014 11:39 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: > > If you are just testing functionality, just lay them on their backs > pointed at the ceiling. No need to go to the effort of attenuators. If > you are worried about it, lay a thick book over the waveguide opening. > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 12:30 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup > > > > Where did I put that attenuation kit...screw it grab the paper we never > use. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Daniel White via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yep… because we had to come up with a solution when no one wanted to buy > the $600 kits to do it the proper way ;-) > > > > [image: cid:[email protected]] > > *Daniel White* | Managing Director > > *SAF North America LLC* > > > > *Cell:* > > > > (303) 746-3590 > > *Skype:* > > danieldwhite > > *E-mail:* > > [email protected] > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via > Af > *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 10:32 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup > > > > >Of course in house we only use the proper waveguide + attenuators kit. > > > > Of course there's a reason you're comfortable with the ream attenuation... > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Daniel White via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > He got it from our support team. > > > > Works fine… 2 reams if you have the TX power set low works… but at full TX > power you want more attenuation… most like 4-6 reams. > > > > Of course in house we only use the proper waveguide + attenuators kit. > > > > [image: cid:[email protected]] > > *Daniel White* | Managing Director > > *SAF North America LLC* > > > > *Cell:* > > > > (303) 746-3590 > > *Skype:* > > danieldwhite > > *E-mail:* > > [email protected] > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via > Af > *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 9:57 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup > > > > IIRC it was Kris that suggested the paper ream trick. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Daniel White via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Nothing wrong with the advice given here. > > > > FYI we do sell a test kit as well that comes with waveguide flanges and > attenuators, but it is pretty spendy if you’re not doing these often. > > > > A few reams of copy paper should work…. You may want to back of the TX > power until you deploy them. > > > > Also, keep ACM off while doing alignment. Make sure to enable it if your > licensed for it once the link is aligned. > > > > [image: cid:[email protected]] > > *Daniel White* | Managing Director > > *SAF North America LLC* > > > > *Cell:* > > > > (303) 746-3590 > > *Skype:* > > danieldwhite > > *E-mail:* > > [email protected] > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via > Af > *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 9:49 AM > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup > > > > I have not seen her post any cat videos, but maybe she has aliases I don't > know of. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Friday, December 5, 2014 10:46:22 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup > > It's my go to frequency coordinator. There are others like Comsearch > (Tim). > > > > http://www.intelpath.com/ > > > > As far as I know she doesn't do any cat videos. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > What do you mean? I assume the vendor we paid to do the FCC process > handled that based on what the FCC says, we had to do a different polarity > because there is another 11ghz link in a similar path. What does this liz > lady do, is she the one who puts up all the cat videos on the internet? Im > always suspicious of women named liz. > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Who is responsible for figuring out your frequencies? While a vendor > can do it, I'd suggest calling Liz @ IntelPath. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > I know the vendor sent me documentation on cabling/grounding, but I cant > find it anywhere. We are using the SAF POE injector/splitter. Both > components have surge suppression, but we also have an ALPU surge > suppressor and a DC surge suppressor, Im not sure where in the mix these > go, top/bottom etc. > > > > We did the expedited FCC approval, but dont have a PCN, does that come > directly to us or to the vendor that did it and is relayed to us. I dont > recall providing our FRN, so where will this license be applied? Is there a > way to get it into our FRN portal (the one for managing the 3.65 stuff) or > is that a separate type of license? > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > 35 miles since we're in 'merica. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Also, make sure that FCC Applications have been filed before turning > these on in the field (even for alignment or testing). The PCN does not > provide authorization to transmit, but you can operate under Conditional > Authority as long as the FCC Applications have been accepted for filing at > the FCC, the applications did not request a waiver, you are not located in > a quiet zone, and you are not located within 56.3 kilometers of an > international border. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard via > Af > *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:07 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup > > > > Yes, you are going to want to have the PCN in hand for configuring to make > sure you get frequencies on the right side, TX power, polarity and all that > right... I would think it would be pretty safe to assume you're licensed > for full power since you had to go with 4' dishes, but I'd still want to > check what the PCN says. > > I don't remember running into any particular problems setting ours up, but > it's been a few years. > > I do not recommend strapping the dish to your back to carry it up the > tower... > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Af [[email protected]] on behalf of Jeremy via Af [[email protected] > ] > *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 10:01 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup > > Also, all of the details, including transmit power, should be on the PCN. > You should have the PCN in hand. If you don't I would print it out. You > should also have a path analysis with expected signal strengths, and those > come in really handy when you are aligning. If you are not where the path > calc says that you should be then you could be on a side lobe > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote: > > I haven't used SAF before but I generally set the radios across the room > from each other (with no dish) to test the link. They will link up without > being next to each other. > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > We havent used SAF or done licensed before > > > > Im getting ready to bench configure this link, are there any caveats to it? > > As I understand it from the manual, these ship with transmit turned off, > so powering them up wont hurt anything, I just set them side by side with > the flanges facing upward and turn the power on to the minimum tx power, > this wont hurt them to be transmitting with no antenna load attached? If I > leave them on for an extended timeframe will it harm them in this fashion? > > > > Im assuming the license gives use permission to install these at maximum > radio power? we dont have anything in hand from FCC so I dont know, all I > know is we have approval on the link. > > > > Any gotchas to setting these up or installing them, beyond figuring out > how to get a 4 foot antenna to the top of the grain elevator without > denting it > > > > -- > > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the > parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you > can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not > use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the > parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you > can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not > use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 > > > > > > > > -- > > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the > parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you > can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not > use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the > parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you > can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not > use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 > > >
