because the PCN license you for what your are going to use but the FCC has channel pair guides for 40Mhz and 80Mhz...they don't have a channel plan for 56Mhz so you have to use the 80Mhz plan but you are only licensed for 56Mhz of that channel.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > But why does that PCN say 56? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Hardy, Tim via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > >> As of two years ago, the largest channel bandwidth frequency plan in 11 >> GHz is 80 MHz, the HC radio probably has a bandwidth larger than 50 MHz. >> Same thing with the SAF radio that has a 56 MHz bandwidth – these radios >> must use the FCC’s 80 MHz channel plan. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via >> Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 4:05 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> It will also depend on what the manufacturer does. AFAIK, the biggest >> channel bandwidth in 11GHz is 50 MHz. However, we have a 50MHz channel in >> 11 GHz where we had to configure the radios for an 80 MHz channel (in order >> to actually get a 50 MHz channel). Goofy, but that's the way it was set >> up. This is with a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Plus. >> >> >> -- >> >> bp >> >> <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> >> >> >> >> On 12/5/2014 12:41 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: >> >> Im lost on the wizard screen, The highest FCC bandwidth looks to be >> 50mhz, but I thought we were running 56, the 56 option is ETSI. Im not sure >> what to select for modulation either configuring the high side right now >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> That's exactly what we have done. Works well without all the muss and >> fuss of antennas, attenuators, etc. Heck, the output power is ~~ 20 dBm >> (give or take). What's that 100 MW or so? Unlikely that you're going to >> damage anything. >> >> >> -- >> >> bp >> >> <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> >> >> >> >> On 12/5/2014 11:39 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: >> >> If you are just testing functionality, just lay them on their backs >> pointed at the ceiling. No need to go to the effort of attenuators. If >> you are worried about it, lay a thick book over the waveguide opening. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 12:30 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> Where did I put that attenuation kit...screw it grab the paper we never >> use. >> >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Daniel White via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yep… because we had to come up with a solution when no one wanted to buy >> the $600 kits to do it the proper way ;-) >> >> >> >> [image: cid:[email protected]] >> >> *Daniel White* | Managing Director >> >> *SAF North America LLC* >> >> >> >> *Cell:* >> >> >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> *Skype:* >> >> danieldwhite >> >> *E-mail:* >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via >> Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 10:32 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> >Of course in house we only use the proper waveguide + attenuators kit. >> >> >> >> Of course there's a reason you're comfortable with the ream attenuation... >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Daniel White via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> He got it from our support team. >> >> >> >> Works fine… 2 reams if you have the TX power set low works… but at full >> TX power you want more attenuation… most like 4-6 reams. >> >> >> >> Of course in house we only use the proper waveguide + attenuators kit. >> >> >> >> [image: cid:[email protected]] >> >> *Daniel White* | Managing Director >> >> *SAF North America LLC* >> >> >> >> *Cell:* >> >> >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> *Skype:* >> >> danieldwhite >> >> *E-mail:* >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via >> Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 9:57 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> IIRC it was Kris that suggested the paper ream trick. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Daniel White via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Nothing wrong with the advice given here. >> >> >> >> FYI we do sell a test kit as well that comes with waveguide flanges and >> attenuators, but it is pretty spendy if you’re not doing these often. >> >> >> >> A few reams of copy paper should work…. You may want to back of the TX >> power until you deploy them. >> >> >> >> Also, keep ACM off while doing alignment. Make sure to enable it if your >> licensed for it once the link is aligned. >> >> >> >> [image: cid:[email protected]] >> >> *Daniel White* | Managing Director >> >> *SAF North America LLC* >> >> >> >> *Cell:* >> >> >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> *Skype:* >> >> danieldwhite >> >> *E-mail:* >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via >> Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 5, 2014 9:49 AM >> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> I have not seen her post any cat videos, but maybe she has aliases I >> don't know of. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Friday, December 5, 2014 10:46:22 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> It's my go to frequency coordinator. There are others like Comsearch >> (Tim). >> >> >> >> http://www.intelpath.com/ >> >> >> >> As far as I know she doesn't do any cat videos. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> What do you mean? I assume the vendor we paid to do the FCC process >> handled that based on what the FCC says, we had to do a different polarity >> because there is another 11ghz link in a similar path. What does this liz >> lady do, is she the one who puts up all the cat videos on the internet? Im >> always suspicious of women named liz. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Who is responsible for figuring out your frequencies? While a vendor >> can do it, I'd suggest calling Liz @ IntelPath. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I know the vendor sent me documentation on cabling/grounding, but I >> cant find it anywhere. We are using the SAF POE injector/splitter. Both >> components have surge suppression, but we also have an ALPU surge >> suppressor and a DC surge suppressor, Im not sure where in the mix these >> go, top/bottom etc. >> >> >> >> We did the expedited FCC approval, but dont have a PCN, does that come >> directly to us or to the vendor that did it and is relayed to us. I dont >> recall providing our FRN, so where will this license be applied? Is there a >> way to get it into our FRN portal (the one for managing the 3.65 stuff) or >> is that a separate type of license? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> 35 miles since we're in 'merica. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Also, make sure that FCC Applications have been filed before turning >> these on in the field (even for alignment or testing). The PCN does not >> provide authorization to transmit, but you can operate under Conditional >> Authority as long as the FCC Applications have been accepted for filing at >> the FCC, the applications did not request a waiver, you are not located in >> a quiet zone, and you are not located within 56.3 kilometers of an >> international border. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >> via Af >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:07 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> >> >> Yes, you are going to want to have the PCN in hand for configuring to >> make sure you get frequencies on the right side, TX power, polarity and all >> that right... I would think it would be pretty safe to assume you're >> licensed for full power since you had to go with 4' dishes, but I'd still >> want to check what the PCN says. >> >> I don't remember running into any particular problems setting ours up, >> but it's been a few years. >> >> I do not recommend strapping the dish to your back to carry it up the >> tower... >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Af [[email protected]] on behalf of Jeremy via Af [ >> [email protected]] >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 10:01 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup >> >> Also, all of the details, including transmit power, should be on the >> PCN. You should have the PCN in hand. If you don't I would print it out. >> You should also have a path analysis with expected signal strengths, and >> those come in really handy when you are aligning. If you are not where the >> path calc says that you should be then you could be on a side lobe >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I haven't used SAF before but I generally set the radios across the room >> from each other (with no dish) to test the link. They will link up without >> being next to each other. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> We havent used SAF or done licensed before >> >> >> >> Im getting ready to bench configure this link, are there any caveats to >> it? >> >> As I understand it from the manual, these ship with transmit turned off, >> so powering them up wont hurt anything, I just set them side by side with >> the flanges facing upward and turn the power on to the minimum tx power, >> this wont hurt them to be transmitting with no antenna load attached? If I >> leave them on for an extended timeframe will it harm them in this fashion? >> >> >> >> Im assuming the license gives use permission to install these at maximum >> radio power? we dont have anything in hand from FCC so I dont know, all I >> know is we have approval on the link. >> >> >> >> Any gotchas to setting these up or installing them, beyond figuring out >> how to get a 4 foot antenna to the top of the grain elevator without >> denting it >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> > >
