But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Solar powered car. > Solar powered house. > Eventually solar powered garden too. > Oil? What is oil? > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM > *To:* af <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices > > For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of > the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to > like $250/barrel and stay there. > > We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's > next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than > oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the R&D and infrastructure buildout costs > look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs > basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in > place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move > in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and > financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. >> >> On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: >> >> There's an old, insightful joke about "what is the best price to sell >> barrels of oil for", which states that it's something like "$100, $100, >> $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100....." >> >> At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like >> hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same >> industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability >> to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a >> side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US >> sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now >> a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this >> sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of >> these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our >> willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. >> >> Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get >> to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope >> continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. >> >> -forrest >> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in >>> the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to >>> squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US >>> oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of >>> gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up >>> production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad >>> for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net >>> benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of >>> OPEC. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser < >>> [email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right >>> here in >>> >> the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually >>> when the >>> >> additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even >>> lower, >>> >> but that is just my thought. >>> >> >>> >> It would be nice if they could do the same with grain. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy < >>> [email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I >>> look >>> >>> at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the >>> rubber band >>> >>> snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without the >>> export >>> >>> and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at >>> least. This >>> >>> is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it is >>> >>> inherently and artificially inflated market. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The investment has already been made to build the wells. I know it >>> >>>> would suck, but why not shut them down until the price goes up >>> again, then >>> >>>> just resume production? Even under new ownership? Doesn't sound >>> like a >>> >>>> permanent problem to me... >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>> From: Bill Prince >>> >>>> To: [email protected] >>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:23 AM >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices >>> >>>> >>> >>>> It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal producers. >>> >>>> Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like >>> Iraq & >>> >>>> Iran. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time >>> right >>> >>>> now. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> bp >>> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I wonder what is really driving the price down. Fracking, OPEC >>> >>>> diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ??? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> From: Jeremy >>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM >>> >>>> To: [email protected] >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks Obama! (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman >>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Same up here in Ohio. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>> >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>> >>>>> Suite 1337 >>> >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh" <[email protected]> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> 1.75 here in my area >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> vlad >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have >>> stations at >>> >>>>>>>> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :) >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Travis >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >>> the >>> >>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >>> you can't >>> >>> get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do >>> not use a >>> >>> hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> -- >> > >
