All good points, not sure they address Erich’s issue of needing more bandwidth per link without multiple antennas per link on the tower. I think he’s saying an IP20 class radio is too expensive, and over the next few years lots of us are going to need that kind of radio.
From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Pull all of the active licenses with old ass gear and feed their contact information to the vendors? ;-) Maybe newer gear for hte existing guys would cut down on how much they need. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:25:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 10 GHz unlicensed would help. I sometimes think the license protections are a bit excessive. Maybe loosen the geographic restrictions on 7 GHz and 13 GHz? Maybe some effort into getting 4 GHz and other legacy PtP bands opened back up? They don't have a ton of room and don't allow for huge channels, but some is better than none and maybe since the HFT guys care more about lower latency and less about throughput, they''ll build longer hops and leave our 11 and 6 gig alone? ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:18:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous You could drive around to all of the HFT sites and look for links that are no longer there, but still licensed. Document. Come back 30 days later and document again, submit to the FCC (or wherever Liz says is best) and have those licenses revoked. ;-) But yeah, I do like Ceragon's 4x4 setup. Two radio heads, four transmitters, two licenses, tons of bandwidth. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:15:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous The conversation goes deeper. In several areas we are out of spectrum, it may be due to HFT or just plain out. So most WISPs if they have deployed Licensed, they have to deal with what spectrum they have. The question is, where do you see the licensed backhaul market in the next few years, are they just going to be adding qams or finding other creative ways to add capacity? I am not in the WISP business anymore so I have decided to try and focus on the things that drove me nuts to help others. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting [email protected] Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote: Your issue is really then with promo’s and capacity keys – which is marketing and different ways to make revenue on a product. Just like the PtMP space, not all PtP vendors do capacity keys and play those games either. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still high for what you get. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Jason McKemie <[email protected]> wrote: I think we're already seeing it. They're not wifi chipset based radio kind of prices, but they can be found for less than half of what you could get them for just a few years ago. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Erich Kaiser <[email protected]> wrote: After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous....
