Ken,

I’m trying to get Alex to answer you to the mailing list so I don’t mangle 
this.   I don’t think Alex is on this list, and with the new list server it 
might be hard for him to answer here. 

Mark


> On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher 
> prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they 
> just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band.  And 
> decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the 
> rules change.
>  
> The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low 
> gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas, 
> leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating 
> illegally.  Kind of a Walter White choice.
>  
> It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will 
> hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something they 
> believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP market.
>  
>  
>  
> From: John Woodfield <mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
>  
> But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up 
> UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers 
> to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up 
> rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place...
>  
>  
>  
> John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
> 
>  
> Oh you missed that?  Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP 
> instead of Tx power.  So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't 
> have to change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to 
> reduce their OOB emissions accordingly.  The end result is staying legal in 
> 5ghz will require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in 
> tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three.
> 
> I think that's about the size of it.
> 
>> Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules???
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com 
>> <http://www.delmarvawifi.com/> cell (410) 708-1937
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
>> 
>> So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already 
>> a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be 
>> followed by end of sale.
>> 
>> Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF 
>> which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge 
>> on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention 
>> to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as 
>> well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund 
>> and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
>> 
>> You should change it to, "when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and 
>> moronic government politicians". There is no question why Obama is pushing 
>> this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic 
>> skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is 
>> now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now 
>> just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a 
>> way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can 
>> get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the 
>> country and his future/former clients any further economically than he 
>> already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will 
>> cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
>> 
>> All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama 
>> blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government 
>> bigger.
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On 
>> Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
>> 
>> We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would 
>> include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make 
>> it taste any better, but it covers the reality.
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> 
>> On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> > On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
>> >> I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up.
>> >> There is another election in 2 years.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple:
>> > "the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The
>> > pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money
>> > off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're
>> > unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress."
>> >
>> > ~Seth
>> 
>> 

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