Probably not. These are near future rules, not "right now" rules.
Can you not max out the legal limits with ePMP?
Is this why the power is so limited in the US ePMP gear and not UBNT?
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410)
708-1937
-----Original Message-----
From: "Mark Radabaugh" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:23am
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
The new rules don’t prohibit high power operation in 5.8, they limit
the out of band emission into 5.4 to such extreme levels that it’s
very difficult to get the equipment to pass certification.
I wish I could recall exactly what the numbers are but the gist of it
was that if you take a currently legal 5.8 radio with a high gain
antenna and point it at a TDWR site, the out of band emissions inside
the TDWR band can still be high enough to cause an issue. The result
being that the FCC imposed much stricter limits on the OOB emissions
thus making the equipment either much more expensive or requiring
power reductions in the 5730-5850 section of the band.
Mark
On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Are you sure about that? I thought they were still operating under
the old rules for 5.8ghz... everything in 5150-5250 already has to
use the new rules (which MImosa does), but my understanding is
that the new rules would basically limit 5.8ghz to what 5.1ghz is
doing now, and on a Mimosa B5 (integrated) I can set the Tx power
to 17db in 5.8ghz, but only 7db in 5.1ghz.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Rory Conaway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC
proposed. The problem is that the rules were like using a
hammer to break an egg.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign
effort, higher prices, and lower performance makes the WISP
market not worthwhile and they just walk away and don’t make
long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the money
is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the
rules change.
The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment
authorized for low gain antennas but that can be operated
illegally with high gain antennas, leaving WISPs with the
choice of going out of business or operating illegally. Kind
of a Walter White choice.
It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal
that will hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are
proposing something they believe they can actually design,
manufacture and sell to the WISP market.
*From:*John Woodfield <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around
throwing up UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad
around here. Nobody even bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck
the county government starting throwing up rocket dishes at
full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place...
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com
<http://www.delmarvawifi.com/> cell (410) 708-1937
<tel:%28410%29%20708-1937>
-----Original Message-----
From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be
based on EIRP instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a
3db antenna probably doesn't have to change anything, but
anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their
OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in
5ghz will require expensive filters added to the equipment, or
a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, or a
combination of the three.
I think that's about the size of it.
Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules???
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com
<http://www.delmarvawifi.com/> cell (410) 708-1937
<tel:%28410%29%20708-1937>
-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules?
They are already
a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is
coming soon, to be
followed by end of sale.
Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than
having to pay into USF
which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a
below-the-line charge
on customer bills. Customers have already proved they
don't pay attention
to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would
be doing it as
well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size
of the CAF fund
and our big competition gets even more subsidies to
overbuild us.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, "when required by corrupt,
geriatric, ignorant, and
moronic government politicians". There is no question why
Obama is pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no
management or economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of
the country is
now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he
is. Wheeler is now
just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is
trying to find a
way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The
second he can
get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his
boss destroy the
country and his future/former clients any further
economically than he
already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking
effect now that will
cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler
article. Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and
make government
bigger.
Rory
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill
Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement
that it would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the
government. Doesn't make
it taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
>> I think we need to tell every single customer why the
rates went up.
>> There is another election in 2 years.
>>
>
>
> Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the
customer is simple:
> "the total bill is higher because the government added a
new tax. The
> pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not
making any money
> off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect
it. If you're
> unhappy with this tax then call/write your
representatives in congress."
>
> ~Seth
