I think some of these lots are 40 foot wide.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum
100ft lots huh?
Out here there is a 40 acre minimum lot size. One of our subscribers is on
1200 acres. There are a bunch in the 100-250 acre range.
That said, we do have neighborhoods of sorts with 6 to 30 houses within a mile
of one another. One neighborhood of 35 or so spread over a 3 mile stretch.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/10/2015 8:46 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
I don’t know, it’s all just math.
So I cost it out and if I like it then I do it, right?
Generally for us a neighborhood is 100ft lots next to each other.
So we are fine as long as we have a third the neighborhood subscribe.
We might not bring in the long haul fiber to the neighborhood until later
though.
We have other projects pending with spacious lots and wooded access.
Those are very low on our list because the density is low.
I have considered some projects in the reverse, where it would make sense to
bring in fiber 10 miles, then put up a wireless POP to the neighborhood/city.
It’s all in the numbers.
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of That One Guy
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum
So what is the minimum number of houses within a particular geographic area
that would make it cost effective to do a fiber solution? rough numbers. We
have a particular housing set out in the country we have battled to service
forever, there are only about 10 houses, most of which have tried to get our
service. it consists primarily of a single 3/4 mile road buried deep in trees.
Half of them arent able to even get satellite reliably without cutting trees or
butting up 50 foot towers. We have LOS to one of the residences at the end of
the little subdivision, we have considered various wireless options but the
trees and locations of the houses would limit it to a 900mhz solution, for ten
customers and a micropop contract the risks of 900mhz problems were never
really justifiable.
Would you guys see that small of a project over 3/4 mile of road justifiable
if the average take plan was 39 bucks a month requiring a single hop backhaul
and residential micropop contract?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]>
wrote:
That’s just a pessimistic number I plugged in there.
We are self-funding first, then we are bank funding with collateral, then
we are debt funded from angel/private investors.
Last thing we would do is equity funding, but it would have to be in the
millions for that.
I don’t touch VC funding. My company isn’t structured that way right now.
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 8:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum
Sterling,
Are you paying 12% interest to investors on a 5 year note for these builds?
Where are you finding these investors to fund the neighborhood builds?
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]>
wrote:
I like Gino said, I have two partner companies that do all of our builds
at cost and bill back their own company so to speak.
The construction is not trivial.
It’s very equipment and labor intensive, I would never dream of trying to
do it myself.
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 7:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum
I'm sure he will answer, but I think he's hiring contractors where
needed, but he's also hands on.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 2/9/2015 6:15 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Is sterling doing his builds with sub contractors instead of doing the
work himself?
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Feb 9, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm… it shouldn’t block PDFs. Resending Sterling’s PDF as a test
Paul
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum
I have had pdfs blocked before.
From: Paul McCall
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum
Chuck,
Are you attaching a power point file or PDF? I know pdf is allowed
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 7:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum
I attached it per my sent items...trying again.
Regards,
Chuck
On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote:
1. Attached.
2. RB2011 or GPON ONU. Flat drop to side of the house, outdoor NID
where flat drop is terminated, either a 50-75' jumper or bend insensitive fiber
going into the inside of the home plugging into the electronics indoor.
3. Not using peds, handhole with splice case or TE MST.
4. Don't know, not a PC user.
5. Google Maps. Using a locator.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Trevor Bough <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hey guys, I really enjoyed the fiber build out forum and have come
up with a few questions since lunch yesterday:
1. Would you be able to make those power points available to the
list?
2. What all equipment do you actually have at the house? Are you
running the fiber up to the house and then making it the customers
responsibility from there? Or are you running some interior Ethernet cable for
people?
3. Could I get a rough list of what is actually going in the
neighborhood peds?
4. Are you still able to use Powercode (or whatever you are using
for your wireless customers) for your billing/monitoring/rates? Or did you have
to get a secondary system to handle the fiber customers?
5. How are you keeping track of where your underground facilities
are for years down the road? Are you using GPS coordinates at endpoints and
service connections, measurements off of cross streets, or just planning to be
able to use a locator to find it?
<AFSterling.pdf>
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get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
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