I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too. But maybe that isn’t their market either.
*************************************************************************** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com <mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84> *************************************************************************** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists <li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> > wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] <Smeghead> any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] <adama> are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] <adama> everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] <adama> yup, they are [09:38] <Smeghead> Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] <adama> different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] <adama> jesus [09:38] <Smeghead> They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] <adama> can you english? [09:39] <Smeghead> The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] <Smeghead> its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] <adama> fucking wifi people [09:40] <adama> you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] <Smeghead> If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] <adama> and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] <adama> well fuck you all [09:40] <Smeghead> Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] <Smeghead> All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] <adama> meh [09:41] <adama> get them to send us hardware [09:41] <adama> and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] <Smeghead> I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] <Smeghead> I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] <Smeghead> to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] <adama> you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] <adama> i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] <Smeghead> Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] <adama> i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] <Smeghead> Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] <adama> lol [09:59] <adama> XD [10:01] <adama> my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago [10:01] <Smeghead> Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] <adama> i know it is [10:02] <Smeghead> Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] <adama> go and make some cacti graphs then [10:04] <adama> i'm really fucking sick of this shit [10:04] <adama> it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things [10:04] <adama> especially no nfucking wireless stuff [10:04] <adama> so just fuck off [10:04] <adama> it's not going to happen [10:04] <adama> and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen [10:06] <Smeghead> But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it. Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need [10:06] <adama> excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some wireless [10:06] <adama> HURR [10:06] <adama> no [10:06] <adama> i'd get a pile of useless shitty code [10:06] <adama> that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the "community" [10:09] <aden> adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware [10:09] <adama> hah [10:10] <Smeghead> Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and does the same job and even better in many cases. [10:11] <adama> no, they use it because it "just about works" and costs 10% of the price [10:11] <Smeghead> Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some of these other backhaul manufacturers. [10:12] <Smeghead> and your proof is from what experience? [10:12] <Smeghead> Sounds like a case of "they suck over there" and "I know all about them, I've never worked in the industry or actually been a part of any of it but I know what I'm talking about". [10:13] <Smeghead> Those crazy brown people and their silly ways. They are inferior to us. [10:13] <adama> man, this is exactly the kind of shit that made us go commercial in the first place [10:14] <adama> dude [10:14] <adama> just fuck off [10:14] <adama> you're getting really tiring now [10:14] <Smeghead> It takes 10x more effort to deliver internet to remote people.. not to mention flexibility and creativity. [10:14] <Smeghead> Than some pompous pricks sitting in their offices [10:15] <adama> so what was that, remove any existing wireless support and hope everyone else fucks off too? [10:16] <adama> ok then! [10:16] <Smeghead> Hahh what wireless support? [10:16] * ChanServ sets mode: +o adama [10:16] * You were kicked by adama (Smeghead) Session Close: Tue Mar 31 10:16:22 2015 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
