As I said above, I'm not buying any more of them. Single polarity. So far I've not had any issues aside from the water problem. The grids, brackets, etc, all still look almost as good as the day we installed them.
----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hohhof To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 Do not get the wire grids, they rust terribly after a few years. Get the diecast grids, same feed, no rust. L-Com sells them. Actually, don’t use grids period, single pol is a thing of the past. From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 12:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 Laird Technologies GD58-29 and GD58-26, formerly PacWireless. Good antennas, signal usually worked out right on target. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Stanners To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 Which models of grids are those? We don't use the cheaper professionally but I have some old ones I was going to use for my amateur radio wifi project. On May 8, 2015 10:38 AM, "Glen Waldrop" <[email protected]> wrote: Apparently the feed of the PacWireless grids I am using pulls in moisture. After a hot day, good rain and a 20*F temperature drop they suck in water and ruin the feed. These had already been in the air for years, most were purchased back in 2008. Started failing around 2012. Shame too, they were excellent antennas. Same model is still on the market. I'd buy more but they're single polarity. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hohhof To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 What would cause an antenna to fail after 4 years, other than target practice or falling ice? Hose off the bird poop and they should be good as new. From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 10:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 Looks nice. I'm a bit scared to check on the price though. I definitely see the point about the connectorized antennas, though I've had issues with antennas going out before the radios. They did last 4+ years though, so no real complaints there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hohhof To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 I could almost convince myself these make sense: http://simper.rfelements.com/assets/Uploads/UltraDish-TP-Datasheet.pdf http://simper.rfelements.com/assets/Uploads/Simper-Radio-Adaptors-Datasheet.pdf The ultimate connectorized antenna. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 10:33 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 I just don't like putting anything without connectorized antennas on towers anymore... it makes things much easier to upgrade later on if you can leave the dish alone and just swap radios, and force 110's are cheap. We still use plenty of NanoBeams and NanoBridges for customers. NanoBeam M5's do work very well for PtP links, as long as you can use 5.8ghz, but NanoBridges often don't seem to perform as well as they should. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Glen Waldrop <[email protected]> wrote: I'm interested in hearing it. I'm upgrading my network, using the NBM5 for a lot of tower to tower shots. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mathew Howard To: af Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 It will also change a bit depending on what channel width you're using... 10mhz will gain you a few db over 20mhz, etc. I'll generally go to a larger antenna on anything over 5-6 miles these days... actually I won't use NanoBridges for PtP links at all anymore, but that's another story. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Glen Waldrop <[email protected]> wrote: I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add an extra 2-3db "in taxes" right?. -------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glen Waldrop" <[email protected]> Sender: "Af" <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 Thanks. Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full modulation makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing. Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx. I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for MIMO, which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hammett To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest modulation. Always calculate based on full modulation. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Glen Waldrop" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO. At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61. Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Woodfield To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO? John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -----Original Message----- From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO. At least 1db from what the antennas say. What's the signal now? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop" <[email protected]> wrote: I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single link I've done. My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually gain 25 as they're suppose to. I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math. Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.
